shot placement
01-30-2007, 07:58 PM
#11
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA.
Posts: 5,195
RE: shot placement
i am not crossbow shooter, not yet..but 50 years shooting bow..
only 1 shot i take..behind shoulder ,double lung..somtimes in neck if close shot,but 99 % ,behind shoulder..
i left many a buck walk and still do if i cant get a good broadside shot..
if you are using mechinical heads, BROADSIDE is a must..
this is why you see hunters on tv using FIXED POINTS..look at what point they use..WHY??most of shots they take are angle or broadside..never shoot a buck at angle with MECHINICAL HEADS..
no buck is worth wounding,yet, i see hunters that are shoting arrows in hind quarters,disgusting..
only 1 shot i take..behind shoulder ,double lung..somtimes in neck if close shot,but 99 % ,behind shoulder..
i left many a buck walk and still do if i cant get a good broadside shot..
if you are using mechinical heads, BROADSIDE is a must..
this is why you see hunters on tv using FIXED POINTS..look at what point they use..WHY??most of shots they take are angle or broadside..never shoot a buck at angle with MECHINICAL HEADS..
no buck is worth wounding,yet, i see hunters that are shoting arrows in hind quarters,disgusting..
01-30-2007, 08:14 PM
#12
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Ontario Canada
Posts: 604
RE: shot placement
ORIGINAL: sproulman
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if you are using mechinical heads, BROADSIDE is a must..
this is why you see hunters on tv using FIXED POINTS..look at what point they use..WHY??most of shots they take are angle or broadside..never shoot a buck at angle with MECHINICAL HEADS..
no buck is worth wounding,yet, i see hunters that are shoting arrows in hind quarters,disgusting..
.........
if you are using mechinical heads, BROADSIDE is a must..
this is why you see hunters on tv using FIXED POINTS..look at what point they use..WHY??most of shots they take are angle or broadside..never shoot a buck at angle with MECHINICAL HEADS..
no buck is worth wounding,yet, i see hunters that are shoting arrows in hind quarters,disgusting..
Yes some mechanicals do have problems with deflections at angles, but not all mechanicals. I choose the spitfire because the blades sit back from the point, even when closed, this premits the point to start tracking into the animal even at an angle (but not real steep angles) before the blade makes contact.
Yes, I even tested the spitfire at angles and not once sis I get a deflection, but that does not mean that all heads will behave properrly. Just choose a qualit fixed or mechanical and you should have no problem.
BTW ......... The TV shows use the heads they use because they are paid to use them, no other reason.
01-30-2007, 08:26 PM
#13
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA.
Posts: 5,195
RE: shot placement
ORIGINAL: GrumpyTom
sproulman I have to dispute your above statement on the mechanicals. It does not matter if it is a mechanical or fixed head, if the angle of entry is greater the the angle of the blades on the head, you will most likely have a deflection, rather then penertration. That is, if the blade makes contact before the point has started to track on entry, then deflection is a great possibility.
Yes some mechanicals do have problems with deflections at angles, but not all mechanicals. I choose the spitfire because the blades sit back from the point, even when closed, this premits the point to start tracking into the animal even at an angle (but not real steep angles) before the blade makes contact.
Yes, I even tested the spitfire at angles and not once sis I get a deflection, but that does not mean that all heads will behave properrly. Just choose a qualit fixed or mechanical and you should have no problem.
BTW ......... The TV shows use the heads they use because they are paid to use them, no other reason.
ORIGINAL: sproulman
.........
if you are using mechinical heads, BROADSIDE is a must..
this is why you see hunters on tv using FIXED POINTS..look at what point they use..WHY??most of shots they take are angle or broadside..never shoot a buck at angle with MECHINICAL HEADS..
no buck is worth wounding,yet, i see hunters that are shoting arrows in hind quarters,disgusting..
.........
if you are using mechinical heads, BROADSIDE is a must..
this is why you see hunters on tv using FIXED POINTS..look at what point they use..WHY??most of shots they take are angle or broadside..never shoot a buck at angle with MECHINICAL HEADS..
no buck is worth wounding,yet, i see hunters that are shoting arrows in hind quarters,disgusting..
Yes some mechanicals do have problems with deflections at angles, but not all mechanicals. I choose the spitfire because the blades sit back from the point, even when closed, this premits the point to start tracking into the animal even at an angle (but not real steep angles) before the blade makes contact.
Yes, I even tested the spitfire at angles and not once sis I get a deflection, but that does not mean that all heads will behave properrly. Just choose a qualit fixed or mechanical and you should have no problem.
BTW ......... The TV shows use the heads they use because they are paid to use them, no other reason.
did you know over those years i had ZEWICKY AND BEAR broadheads glance off a buck?oh yessssssssssss..
been there ,done it all..
no way i would shoot a buck with spitfire at angle..just me, but 50 years at it..again no experience with spitfire.
most of deer a heard or saw or witnessed shot by other hunters were always angle or shooting at front of deer..
very seldom i ever heard of buck getting away on broadside shot unless hunters hit to far back into stomach..
if i go to crossbow, i will be using SPITFIRE 100 but i will only take a broadside shot..
01-30-2007, 08:29 PM
#14
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Newtonville, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,896
RE: shot placement
ORIGINAL: GrumpyTom
sproulman I have to dispute your above statement on the mechanicals. It does not matter if it is a mechanical or fixed head, if the angle of entry is greater the the angle of the blades on the head, you will most likely have a deflection, rather then penertration. That is, if the blade makes contact before the point has started to track on entry, then deflection is a great possibility.
Yes some mechanicals do have problems with deflections at angles, but not all mechanicals. I choose the spitfire because the blades sit back from the point, even when closed, this premits the point to start tracking into the animal even at an angle (but not real steep angles) before the blade makes contact.
Yes, I even tested the spitfire at angles and not once sis I get a deflection, but that does not mean that all heads will behave properrly. Just choose a qualit fixed or mechanical and you should have no problem.
BTW ......... The TV shows use the heads they use because they are paid to use them, no other reason.
ORIGINAL: sproulman
.........
if you are using mechinical heads, BROADSIDE is a must..
this is why you see hunters on tv using FIXED POINTS..look at what point they use..WHY??most of shots they take are angle or broadside..never shoot a buck at angle with MECHINICAL HEADS..
no buck is worth wounding,yet, i see hunters that are shoting arrows in hind quarters,disgusting..
.........
if you are using mechinical heads, BROADSIDE is a must..
this is why you see hunters on tv using FIXED POINTS..look at what point they use..WHY??most of shots they take are angle or broadside..never shoot a buck at angle with MECHINICAL HEADS..
no buck is worth wounding,yet, i see hunters that are shoting arrows in hind quarters,disgusting..
Yes some mechanicals do have problems with deflections at angles, but not all mechanicals. I choose the spitfire because the blades sit back from the point, even when closed, this premits the point to start tracking into the animal even at an angle (but not real steep angles) before the blade makes contact.
Yes, I even tested the spitfire at angles and not once sis I get a deflection, but that does not mean that all heads will behave properrly. Just choose a qualit fixed or mechanical and you should have no problem.
BTW ......... The TV shows use the heads they use because they are paid to use them, no other reason.
01-30-2007, 09:22 PM
#15
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Ontario Canada
Posts: 604
RE: shot placement
sproulman I agree that the broadside shot is the best possible shot ou can make. Also if ou fel that ou should not make an angles shot, then you are right to choose that. No hunter should make a shot that they are not comfortable with.
A little info on the test I made with the spitfire. I did this test becase I had heard of all the comments that angled shots would never work with a mechanical head, First, I did alot of internet searching for opinions, data and thoughts on different mechanicals. I even went to the company websites, and even e-mails.
Back to the test. I was using a block of poly-foarm for a target. I shot the head into the block at different angles, 90 degrees (right angles) to a steep angle of al little over 45 degrees. About 10 shots at the different angles and not one deflecction. One noticable thing was that at the 45* angle the arrow actually straightened up some when entering the target. This proved to me that point of the head was tracking before the blade sttarted into the block.
This test proved to me that not all mechanicals would skip or defect off on angled shots.
A little info on the test I made with the spitfire. I did this test becase I had heard of all the comments that angled shots would never work with a mechanical head, First, I did alot of internet searching for opinions, data and thoughts on different mechanicals. I even went to the company websites, and even e-mails.
Back to the test. I was using a block of poly-foarm for a target. I shot the head into the block at different angles, 90 degrees (right angles) to a steep angle of al little over 45 degrees. About 10 shots at the different angles and not one deflecction. One noticable thing was that at the 45* angle the arrow actually straightened up some when entering the target. This proved to me that point of the head was tracking before the blade sttarted into the block.
This test proved to me that not all mechanicals would skip or defect off on angled shots.
01-30-2007, 10:09 PM
#16
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Newtonville, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,896
RE: shot placement
Sproule, one of the possible causes for your described problem is speed. These days of bows that can cast an heavier, straigher arrow faster reduces that glancing affect. Like a straw carried by a tornado driven into a tree the new arrows driven at higher speeds penetrate much better.
01-31-2007, 06:26 AM
#17
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Land of Rocks, Ozarks of Mo.
Posts: 3,048
RE: shot placement
Looks like my post was taken by sproulman as he didn't approve! 50 years, well i have 48! I have taken well over 100 deer, so i hit them different places than you! I don't shoot them in the guts or leg bones or spine! Penetration! I can shoot my arrow from butthole to appepetite! Tx. heart shot! Maynot be the best shot but i have killed everyone i shot like that 10! You shoot where you want and i will do the same!
01-31-2007, 02:32 PM
#19
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: WC FL
Posts: 26,323