Forum Behavior
01-26-2007, 08:52 PM
#131
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Forum Behavior
Well maybe it's different in your part of the woods but I have never heard, read or being told at college that a crossbow was used patently for poaching. The premier tool of poachers is the 22 long rifle and 22 magnum placed behind the ear or at the base of the ear.
If you know of these people doing what you say they are doing why don't you report them? It is the right thing to do!
If you know of these people doing what you say they are doing why don't you report them? It is the right thing to do!
01-26-2007, 08:59 PM
#132
Typical Buck
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RE: Forum Behavior
ORIGINAL: ELKINMTCWB
1st a 22 behind the ear will just be a deer for the yotes.There is many people that do not know much about poaching.To kill a deer with a 22 you have to shoot it in the center of the head right above the eyes.Never in the side.You have to have a flat spot to peatrate.I do beleave there is a ton of deer shot with the 22.But not dew to pochers more by opertunist.Most guys that shoot a deer with a 22 are doing so becouse they do not get to see many deer up close and cant pass up a chance at a shot.
The Xbow or any bow is a better wepoin for poaching.I know of many guys that kill lots and lots of deer with them.Xbow being nuber one.Most get in the back of the truck and pull right up to them.1 the deer run just off the road for a night time pick up and 2 NO one knows you shoot.You can shoot a deer right in peoples back yard,and no one knows it.The meet hunters will use the xbow or bow.
I kill things at longer ranges than most.Just like anything.some guys can hit a golf ball 100 yards some can hit it 500.I can tell you if you do not get in the time to shoot a lot and tune every thing. You better not shoot any long shots.
Charles Bradford
1st a 22 behind the ear will just be a deer for the yotes.There is many people that do not know much about poaching.To kill a deer with a 22 you have to shoot it in the center of the head right above the eyes.Never in the side.You have to have a flat spot to peatrate.I do beleave there is a ton of deer shot with the 22.But not dew to pochers more by opertunist.Most guys that shoot a deer with a 22 are doing so becouse they do not get to see many deer up close and cant pass up a chance at a shot.
The Xbow or any bow is a better wepoin for poaching.I know of many guys that kill lots and lots of deer with them.Xbow being nuber one.Most get in the back of the truck and pull right up to them.1 the deer run just off the road for a night time pick up and 2 NO one knows you shoot.You can shoot a deer right in peoples back yard,and no one knows it.The meet hunters will use the xbow or bow.
I kill things at longer ranges than most.Just like anything.some guys can hit a golf ball 100 yards some can hit it 500.I can tell you if you do not get in the time to shoot a lot and tune every thing. You better not shoot any long shots.
Charles Bradford
Anyone that shots a deer out of season or with a weapon that is not allowed just to be an OPERTUNIST or just can't pass up the shot are poachers in any form of law. Just ask any law officer.
It was not me that stated that the 22 rifle was the choice of weapon, it was a State agenacy which posted that in an artical. They had all the stats and data to back up the artical. Again, I have used crossbows for over 25 years and I would never use an archery tool to poacch if I was a poacher. Just too short of range and too much of a chance for the animal to run into an uncontroled area, meaning that I might not recover the animal, also meaning that a carcus might be found that would cause trouble.
01-27-2007, 12:08 PM
#133
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Forum Behavior
I see . is slamming crossbow hunters under bowhunting,topic,the moderators.
I am a Rep and it still peed me off.
And the can hunt thing that was posted didnt help.I beleaved thats what it is about.
I am a Rep and it still peed me off.
And the can hunt thing that was posted didnt help.I beleaved thats what it is about.
01-27-2007, 12:48 PM
#134
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Forum Behavior
Poachers will use asny weapon to poach with and the only consideration of choice . . .if indeed there is any consideration is "will using this particular weapon get me caught"? I'm not a crossbow hunter and prolly never will be because at least for right now it just does'nt appeal to me. However if I were a poacher , I don't think a crossbow would be my choice for several reasons including trying to shoot the thing out of a window, possibly having to track him at night in an area that most likely I'm not supposed to be.
From what I've seen most poachers will use a shotgun or rifle late at night, way of out in the boondocks, and hope for the best. Plus, it's mighty popular to hunt the moon with a high powered rifle with a good light gathering scope.
Basically, to be honest the biggest reason most bow hunters IMO speak out against the crossbow is because it represents more competition in the woods in an otherwise low competition season. I know that if it came down to a vote on my part in my state, that would be the only incentive I would have to vote against their use. . . .but it won't, and I don't let it bother me.
From what I've seen most poachers will use a shotgun or rifle late at night, way of out in the boondocks, and hope for the best. Plus, it's mighty popular to hunt the moon with a high powered rifle with a good light gathering scope.
Basically, to be honest the biggest reason most bow hunters IMO speak out against the crossbow is because it represents more competition in the woods in an otherwise low competition season. I know that if it came down to a vote on my part in my state, that would be the only incentive I would have to vote against their use. . . .but it won't, and I don't let it bother me.
01-27-2007, 01:34 PM
#135
Dominant Buck
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RE: Forum Behavior
ORIGINAL: Leafrivermac
Basically, to be honest the biggest reason most bow hunters IMO speak out against the crossbow is because it represents more competition in the woods in an otherwise low competition season. I know that if it came down to a vote on my part in my state, that would be the only incentive I would have to vote against their use. . . .but it won't, and I don't let it bother me.
Basically, to be honest the biggest reason most bow hunters IMO speak out against the crossbow is because it represents more competition in the woods in an otherwise low competition season. I know that if it came down to a vote on my part in my state, that would be the only incentive I would have to vote against their use. . . .but it won't, and I don't let it bother me.
01-27-2007, 01:40 PM
#136
Nontypical Buck
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Location: arkansas
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RE: Forum Behavior
ORIGINAL: sproulman
i can show you pictures of a crossbower that shots 2 inch groups at 88 yds,2213 arrow xx78,nap nitron 125 hunting point..he puts 6 arrows in that 2 inch area..
i also agree with you too..
ORIGINAL: awshucks
Sproulman: You're getting pumped full of poop by bashers. As far as the 100 yd shots on deer, lemme share a little xbow trivia w/ ya. I have, among others, an Excal Exomax. Until the introduction of the Stryker, it was the fastest xbow on the market at 350 fps. W/ said Exomax, at 350 fps, the mid range trajectory is in the vicinity of 25 FEET. Yeah, you read it right, the arrow has to rise 25 feet above your line of sight to hit on a target at 100 yds. Now, I've never personally tried that extreme of a range, but there artealot of xbow clubs/shooters in Europe that do that kind of thing on a regular basis, as Europe has a lot longer history/tradition w/ xbows than we do. They have to have special mounts made to tweak their scopes to shoot at 100 yds, as the common every day type won't adjust that much to allow those ranges. IOW, they have tilted mounts to rough adjust the poi, and then fine tune via the scopes adjustment. So, when you read/hear of 100 yd 3" groups w/ b-heads, turkeys taken at 140 yds, ect you are in the presence of a real prevaricator, lol.
Sproulman: You're getting pumped full of poop by bashers. As far as the 100 yd shots on deer, lemme share a little xbow trivia w/ ya. I have, among others, an Excal Exomax. Until the introduction of the Stryker, it was the fastest xbow on the market at 350 fps. W/ said Exomax, at 350 fps, the mid range trajectory is in the vicinity of 25 FEET. Yeah, you read it right, the arrow has to rise 25 feet above your line of sight to hit on a target at 100 yds. Now, I've never personally tried that extreme of a range, but there artealot of xbow clubs/shooters in Europe that do that kind of thing on a regular basis, as Europe has a lot longer history/tradition w/ xbows than we do. They have to have special mounts made to tweak their scopes to shoot at 100 yds, as the common every day type won't adjust that much to allow those ranges. IOW, they have tilted mounts to rough adjust the poi, and then fine tune via the scopes adjustment. So, when you read/hear of 100 yd 3" groups w/ b-heads, turkeys taken at 140 yds, ect you are in the presence of a real prevaricator, lol.
i also agree with you too..
You would have to show me as I'm not believing that.
01-27-2007, 02:11 PM
#137
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Forum Behavior
Reb, although he maybe misguided, atleast he's being honest and reasonable. Leafrivermac has obviously not read our hunting success thread.
Leafrivermac, perhaps you should read the thread, crossbows do not represent any more competition than any other form of archery.
http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=1726407
Leafrivermac, perhaps you should read the thread, crossbows do not represent any more competition than any other form of archery.
http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=1726407
01-27-2007, 02:13 PM
#138
Dominant Buck
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RE: Forum Behavior
ORIGINAL: awshucks
You would have to show me as I'm not believing that.
ORIGINAL: sproulman
i can show you pictures of a crossbower that shots 2 inch groups at 88 yds,2213 arrow xx78,nap nitron 125 hunting point..he puts 6 arrows in that 2 inch area..
i can show you pictures of a crossbower that shots 2 inch groups at 88 yds,2213 arrow xx78,nap nitron 125 hunting point..he puts 6 arrows in that 2 inch area..
You would have to show me as I'm not believing that.
01-27-2007, 02:22 PM
#139
Dominant Buck
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RE: Forum Behavior
ORIGINAL: Dnk
Reb, although he maybe misguided, atleast he's being honest and reasonable. Leafrivermac has obviously not read our hunting success thread.
Leafrivermac, perhaps you should read the thread, crossbows do not represent any more competition than any other form of archery.
http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=1726407
Reb, although he maybe misguided, atleast he's being honest and reasonable. Leafrivermac has obviously not read our hunting success thread.
Leafrivermac, perhaps you should read the thread, crossbows do not represent any more competition than any other form of archery.
http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=1726407
He speaks his mind and that's the way it is!I just through that at him for comparison.
01-27-2007, 02:44 PM
#140
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Forum Behavior
ORIGINAL: Rebel Hog
Dan I was wondering how much KEa Bolt or Arrow would have at 88yds to kill an animal? This debate seems to me to be at Bull Ring archery targets.
ORIGINAL: awshucks
You would have to show me as I'm not believing that.
ORIGINAL: sproulman
i can show you pictures of a crossbower that shots 2 inch groups at 88 yds,2213 arrow xx78,nap nitron 125 hunting point..he puts 6 arrows in that 2 inch area..
i can show you pictures of a crossbower that shots 2 inch groups at 88 yds,2213 arrow xx78,nap nitron 125 hunting point..he puts 6 arrows in that 2 inch area..
You would have to show me as I'm not believing that.