ACF ANNOUNCES LAUNCHING OF BIG GAME CROSSBOW RECORD BOOK
06-06-2005, 08:02 AM
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RE: ACF ANNOUNCES LAUNCHING OF BIG GAME CROSSBOW RECORD BOOK
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That's the part you crossbows guys don't get. There is more to being a bowhunter then just shooting deer with a bow.
That's the part you crossbows guys don't get. There is more to being a bowhunter then just shooting deer with a bow.
06-06-2005, 09:47 AM
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RE: ACF ANNOUNCES LAUNCHING OF BIG GAME CROSSBOW RECORD BOOK
MA Jay - Compounds have always been legal in MA ??
No, they haven't. There was a long, hard fight 30+ years ago to legalize them - and they won. And since then, compounds have dominated the archery landscape, revolutionizing the way people hunt, the bowhunter participation numbers, the kill stats ......... everything changed with the legalization of compounds in archery season.
Compounds were NOT legal when they were first developed/designed. Mechanical releases were banned for a very long time. Fiber sights were. Mechanical broadheads were - the things most archers will use this season were likely at one time NOT considered legal archery tackle.
Should that have never changed ? Is change bad ? The migration to legalizing any and all archery accessories to make archery shooting/bowhunting easier, faster, better, more successful, more accurate - all with less practice ............ its embraced and loved by almost all bowhunters. Isn't it ?
Crossbows could ver well do the same kind of revolution, couldn't they ? They have made some impact in AR & Ohio - not the vast impact compounds have made, but an impact none the less. Positive or negative ? In all aspects positive short of a personal ethics view.
So my comparisons of the compound to the crossbow are VERY valid. They both have have/had the same uphill battle/fight. Compounds were fought hard by archery folks, and after legalization they have dominated. Crossbows are being fought hard by compounders - for the VERY same reasons archery folks fought the compounds.
Isn't that ironic ? Can't you see that ?
No, they haven't. There was a long, hard fight 30+ years ago to legalize them - and they won. And since then, compounds have dominated the archery landscape, revolutionizing the way people hunt, the bowhunter participation numbers, the kill stats ......... everything changed with the legalization of compounds in archery season.
Compounds were NOT legal when they were first developed/designed. Mechanical releases were banned for a very long time. Fiber sights were. Mechanical broadheads were - the things most archers will use this season were likely at one time NOT considered legal archery tackle.
Should that have never changed ? Is change bad ? The migration to legalizing any and all archery accessories to make archery shooting/bowhunting easier, faster, better, more successful, more accurate - all with less practice ............ its embraced and loved by almost all bowhunters. Isn't it ?
Crossbows could ver well do the same kind of revolution, couldn't they ? They have made some impact in AR & Ohio - not the vast impact compounds have made, but an impact none the less. Positive or negative ? In all aspects positive short of a personal ethics view.
So my comparisons of the compound to the crossbow are VERY valid. They both have have/had the same uphill battle/fight. Compounds were fought hard by archery folks, and after legalization they have dominated. Crossbows are being fought hard by compounders - for the VERY same reasons archery folks fought the compounds.
Isn't that ironic ? Can't you see that ?
06-06-2005, 11:27 AM
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RE: ACF ANNOUNCES LAUNCHING OF BIG GAME CROSSBOW RECORD BOOK
Claims are being made about crossbows and how they will decimate the deer herd and how they are so much more deadlier than vertical bows. If there were a separate season and license for crossbows, the BS would be gone and all would have to deal with the fact as documented. We would know exactly how many deer were taken and how many hunters tried to take them, both by crossbow and vertical archery. At that point, the intelligent and fact based debate could begin.
The rest of the nonsense is getting way too old!
06-06-2005, 11:28 AM
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RE: ACF ANNOUNCES LAUNCHING OF BIG GAME CROSSBOW RECORD BOOK
We would know exactly how many deer were taken and how many hunters tried to take them, both by crossbow and vertical archery.
06-06-2005, 05:28 PM
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RE: ACF ANNOUNCES LAUNCHING OF BIG GAME CROSSBOW RECORD BOOK
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However, you yourself admit that in one third of your state, the deer population is a problem and that is the point I was trying to make in my last post where I wrote, “based on conversations that I have with friends in NY, the control of the deer population runs from good to bad, depending on what part of the state you live in, as with any other state.” Therefore my statement was validated by your confirmation and succinctly ends the debate on it.
However, you yourself admit that in one third of your state, the deer population is a problem and that is the point I was trying to make in my last post where I wrote, “based on conversations that I have with friends in NY, the control of the deer population runs from good to bad, depending on what part of the state you live in, as with any other state.” Therefore my statement was validated by your confirmation and succinctly ends the debate on it.
Actually, I said 2/3 were under target, I did NOT say that 1/3 is a problem.
The fact is, only 10% of wmu in NY are over target.
Perhaps you should keep your nose out of NY's business, and worry about MN.
I think THAT succinctly ends the debate on it.
06-06-2005, 06:03 PM
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RE: ACF ANNOUNCES LAUNCHING OF BIG GAME CROSSBOW RECORD BOOK
TheSource – No what you are doing is when a point is made about what you have penned, you return with “This is what I really meant!” While good sir, if that is what you meant, than that is what you should have said! No one here is a mind reader and we can only respond to what you say. We are incapable of know what you really mean. It would seem that the communication problem is not mine.
As far as what you have shared with us about what is going on in New York, all indications would indicate that you do not know what is going on in New York. And as for me staying out of New York’s business, we have members there and that makes what is happening there our business. Therefore I will have to pass on that kind invitation for that, as well.
I hope that I was succinct enough for your pleasure.
With warmest regards,
As far as what you have shared with us about what is going on in New York, all indications would indicate that you do not know what is going on in New York. And as for me staying out of New York’s business, we have members there and that makes what is happening there our business. Therefore I will have to pass on that kind invitation for that, as well.
I hope that I was succinct enough for your pleasure.
With warmest regards,
06-10-2005, 06:48 PM
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RE: ACF ANNOUNCES LAUNCHING OF BIG GAME CROSSBOW RECORD BOOK
I just got another inquiry about turkeys in the record book. We do have a class for the wild turkey. Total score is the combined length of spurs and beard and the bird may be taken with an arrow from any type of archery equipment. If you have any other questions, please email or call me.
06-24-2005, 03:32 PM
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FOR YOUR INFORMATION
CROSSBOWS APPROVED FOR ARCHERY HUNTING
By Mark Taylor 981-3395
The Roanoke Times
RICHMOND -- Virginia hunters won't need a doctor's note to hunt with a crossbow this coming autumn. Thursday afternoon the Department of Game and Inland Fisheries' board of directors approved a proposal to allow hunters to use the weapons during the state's archery seasons. The new regulation will also allow hunters to use crossbows during gun seasons. Only one board member, Richard Railey Jr. of Courtland, voted against the proposal, prompted by General Assembly legislation that received nearly unanimous support this past winter.
The board's vote followed three months of debate, which wasn't as contentious as it has been in other states that have tackled the crossbow issue in recent years. Some Virginia bowhunters expressed concern about having to share the woods with more hunters during the traditionally low-key early archery season. Some said crossbows offer an unfair advantage and don't belong in archery season, or at least in Virginia's early archery season.
Crossbow supporters countered by arguing that the weapons have similar capabilities to the compound bows most archery hunters use. Department biologists also said expanding the rules would increase recreational opportunities for hunters without adversely impacting the state's booming deer herd. Officials said the department received comments from nearly 2,300 citizens. Of those, 177 spoke or wrote letters or e-mails arguing against crossbows. The proposal drew support from 2,108 people. Of those, roughly 1,600 signed
a single petition.
David Proctor of Linville was the only citizen to take a strong stand against crossbows while addressing the board at the meeting. Executive vice president of the Virginia Bowhunters Association, Proctor said he and the group are not entirely opposed to crossbows. Proctor had hoped the weapons would be approved for use only during the late archery season, in December. He said that would have given the department and bowhunters a better idea of the potential impact.
"It's not going to bring in more hunters," Proctor predicted of the new rule. "It's just going to move hunters from one season to another."
Johnny Grace of Mint Springs-based Parker Bows, spoke in support of the proposal, as he had at public meetings throughout the comment period. Grace said accident and hunter success rates are comparable among users of crossbows and conventional archery tackle. He didn't argue against the idea that the new regulation would lure more hunters to the woods during the early archery season.
"To that I say what my kids say to me -- well, duh," Grace said. "Aren't more hunters are a good thing?"
States that have recently eased crossbow regulations have seen participation in archery seasons immediately increase 10 to 15 percent. Virginia currently has about 65,000 licensed bowhunters, about 20 percent of the state's estimated 300,000 deer hunters. Archery season crossbow users will be required to purchase a special crossbow license, which will cost $12.50 for residents and $25.50 for non-residents, the same price as the special archery license.
Virginia's early archery season opens Oct.1. The special urban archery season, during which crossbows may be used, opens Sept. 17 in 18 designated localities.
By Mark Taylor 981-3395
The Roanoke Times
RICHMOND -- Virginia hunters won't need a doctor's note to hunt with a crossbow this coming autumn. Thursday afternoon the Department of Game and Inland Fisheries' board of directors approved a proposal to allow hunters to use the weapons during the state's archery seasons. The new regulation will also allow hunters to use crossbows during gun seasons. Only one board member, Richard Railey Jr. of Courtland, voted against the proposal, prompted by General Assembly legislation that received nearly unanimous support this past winter.
The board's vote followed three months of debate, which wasn't as contentious as it has been in other states that have tackled the crossbow issue in recent years. Some Virginia bowhunters expressed concern about having to share the woods with more hunters during the traditionally low-key early archery season. Some said crossbows offer an unfair advantage and don't belong in archery season, or at least in Virginia's early archery season.
Crossbow supporters countered by arguing that the weapons have similar capabilities to the compound bows most archery hunters use. Department biologists also said expanding the rules would increase recreational opportunities for hunters without adversely impacting the state's booming deer herd. Officials said the department received comments from nearly 2,300 citizens. Of those, 177 spoke or wrote letters or e-mails arguing against crossbows. The proposal drew support from 2,108 people. Of those, roughly 1,600 signed
a single petition.
David Proctor of Linville was the only citizen to take a strong stand against crossbows while addressing the board at the meeting. Executive vice president of the Virginia Bowhunters Association, Proctor said he and the group are not entirely opposed to crossbows. Proctor had hoped the weapons would be approved for use only during the late archery season, in December. He said that would have given the department and bowhunters a better idea of the potential impact.
"It's not going to bring in more hunters," Proctor predicted of the new rule. "It's just going to move hunters from one season to another."
Johnny Grace of Mint Springs-based Parker Bows, spoke in support of the proposal, as he had at public meetings throughout the comment period. Grace said accident and hunter success rates are comparable among users of crossbows and conventional archery tackle. He didn't argue against the idea that the new regulation would lure more hunters to the woods during the early archery season.
"To that I say what my kids say to me -- well, duh," Grace said. "Aren't more hunters are a good thing?"
States that have recently eased crossbow regulations have seen participation in archery seasons immediately increase 10 to 15 percent. Virginia currently has about 65,000 licensed bowhunters, about 20 percent of the state's estimated 300,000 deer hunters. Archery season crossbow users will be required to purchase a special crossbow license, which will cost $12.50 for residents and $25.50 for non-residents, the same price as the special archery license.
Virginia's early archery season opens Oct.1. The special urban archery season, during which crossbows may be used, opens Sept. 17 in 18 designated localities.
06-27-2005, 10:15 PM
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NBEF RELEASES CROSSBOW TRAINING BOOKLET
NBEF RELEASES CROSSBOW TRAINING BOOKLET
The National Bowhunters Education Foundation has played a tactical role in securing the future of modern bowhunting through education and training. Since 1979 over 1.5 million bowhunters have taken the standardized course in ethics, responsibility, treestand safety, shot placement and game recovery. Now the NBEF has expanded its scope by introducing crossbow hunters education to their coarse by publishing Today’s Crossbow – An addendum to a Hunter Education or Bowhunter Education Course.
This unique 30-page booklet contains a bevy of hunting information that will take new crossbow hunters from A to Z. It will also provide basic crossbow safety information that should be learned by all who plan to hunt with the fastest growing discipline in modern hunting. The publication briefly covers crossbow history and then quickly dives into the ethics and responsibilities of a crossbow hunter.
It provides an in depth discussion of the different types of crossbow equipment and is filled with colorful graphics and illustrations. Among the equipment and accessories discussed are arrows, broadheads, cocking devices and sighting systems. There is also good information about setting up the proper range and the targets that should be used.
The information that is included in the shooting section should be mandatory reading for everyone before they ever fire an arrow from a crossbow. It is complete and filled with excellent tips that will assist in accuracy while preventing personal injury. There is practical information on crossbow hunting techniques, all filled with common sense safety procedures, many that are unique to hunting with a crossbow.
At the back of the training manual, there is a Section Review Exercises worksheet that will test your knowledge and help you review the information you have learned. The publication includes a directory of State Game Agencies as well as a current list of the States and Province crossbow regulations. And finally, the back page is dedicated to the Crossbow Hunter Code of Ethics.
This booklet is not only an excellent training tool, but it is also filled with lots of information that crossbow devotees will find useful in combating the misinformation that is being frantically spread by the anti-crossbow faction. The NBEF has done an excellent job of putting this training guide together and future releases on the subject will only improve. As we all know, the laws and attitudes about the crossbow are rapidly changing making this a work in progress!
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07-20-2005, 06:40 AM
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TOP TEN CROSSBOW RULES
TOP TEN CROSSBOW RULES
*Read and understand your owner’s manual thoroughly before ever shooting your crossbow.
*Never carry a cocked crossbow with an arrow in it while walking.
*If hunting from a treestand, always cock the crossbow on the ground before climbing into stand.
*Never raise or lower a cocked crossbow from a treestand with an arrow in it.
*Always keep ALL fingers below the rail when shooting an arrow.
*Never dry-fire a crossbow.
*Always identify your target and area beyond it before shooting.
*Never use a cocking device to uncock a crossbow.
*To uncock a crossbow, shoot an arrow tipped with a field point into soft ground or a target.
*Make sure that the limb tips are free of obstructions before shooting.
*Read and understand your owner’s manual thoroughly before ever shooting your crossbow.
*Never carry a cocked crossbow with an arrow in it while walking.
*If hunting from a treestand, always cock the crossbow on the ground before climbing into stand.
*Never raise or lower a cocked crossbow from a treestand with an arrow in it.
*Always keep ALL fingers below the rail when shooting an arrow.
*Never dry-fire a crossbow.
*Always identify your target and area beyond it before shooting.
*Never use a cocking device to uncock a crossbow.
*To uncock a crossbow, shoot an arrow tipped with a field point into soft ground or a target.
*Make sure that the limb tips are free of obstructions before shooting.