BigJ71

Source,

It dosen't but you need to draw and shoot with a long and recurve. With a compound you can draw and hold. So while the movement is the same you don't have the same luxury with time, therefore it's easier to get busted.

None, except a gun you can do at 250yds and never be seen, a crossbow needs to be shouldered within compound range and thats how you get busted.

Understand?

BigJ71

Believe me, I was doing the butt kicking, I'd smack them little D-linemen around then go de-cleat a linebacker for the fun of it.

ELKINMTCWB

Ma jay
the reason you cant be right is the xbowers will NEVER stop and think of people that do not think the way they do.[few do]
If you post something here xbowers cut it in to little peaces and if you leave part out they can not think for them self.I gees it is like my son [4 years old] you need to point out every movement/or no movement you do. If guys are so dumb on the basic buw hunting/xbow thing whay and how do they push it.

As I have stated 3 times for you data. Xbows are NOT LEAGAL IN ARCHERY season.SO IN TURN THEY ARE NOT ALOWED TO BE USED IN THIS SEASON. The is exectons to EVERY rule.This would be if you are handycapped.So they are only leagal if you are handycapped in archery season.You would need to go to the docter and get a papper from him.Than take that to fish and game. They allso can be used in RIFLE season. This dos not meen IN ARCHERY season just rifel.So the genaral public can NOT use the xbow in archery season.I would go on but my son needs me to help him learn now.


AND YES ELK ARE DUMB. You can wave to a budy to come up to get a shot many many times.I gess you must hunt dumb whites and smart elk. I see it the outher way.

I gess I am the only xbow hunter that gets ready for the deer befor they come.MMMMMMM Whites are real eazy to PATTERN the main and BIGEST problem is not leting them see you move.You can allso HEAR the deer way befor they get to you if you are not to old.

I allso get my rifle ready befor the get to me allso. SO there is very little to no movement in a rifle allso.


As I stated I would be glade to get a xbow season in montana. But if it is with bows I will spend money to get it voted DOWN. If they try to make a new season I will help AND VOTE for it. So feel free loby all you like. I just know that it will take a ton of money to get it passed in most states. There is ton of hunters that think as I do.

DJH -------

Gentlemen,

Using the 2005 Deer Hunter’s Almanac published by Deer and Deer Hunting as my source, I can provide you with the following information:

2002-2003 Season there were 107,135 deer harvested. 9,178 of those were taken with archery equipment. The state has an estimated deer population of 750,000. The calculate the harvest by mandatory registration. According to their Game and Fish Commission, they have 163,000 gun hunters, 78,956 muzzleloaders and 87,000 bowhunters.

datamax

If that is true, then you know there is a vast difference in shooting deer with a compound vs a recurve.

datamax

Excellent.

What was the success rate of trad hunters ? Compounders ? Crossbow shooters ?

thesource

I like de-cleating.

BigJ, you will never convince me of this. You're just wrong. I live ina shotgun only section of NY. Prior to the advent of rifled barrels and sabot slugs, shotguns did not have a heck of a lot more range than your crossbow.

My Mossberg 500 12 ga, bought used for $70 when I was in the Air Force, was, admittedly, a piece of crap. If I used Winchester slugs, I could hold a 4" group at 50 yds off a bench. If I used Remington, that would open up to about 61/2".

I knew my limits...50 yds max, 40 was better, 30 or 35 and I'd be A-ok. I never took a shot over 38 yds with that gun....crossbow range, right?

I NEVER got caught lifting that gun to my shoulder in the 9 years that I used it. NEVER.

I didn't have to wait until the buck was 35 yds away before I put it to my shoulder. I could be ready well before a buck came into my range.

And that, of course, is the difference.

You could have saved yourself a long and boring story if you would just admit that its easier to shoulder a gun than draw a bow.

thesource

Data I do know that. Its harder. I think you'll find that there are many, many people on here that do know that, first hand. But its not molecular genetics, by any means. It limits your range more than anything.

I happen to believe that the similarities of vertical bows (recurves and compounds) are much greater than the similarities of compounds and crossbows. That's why we're on different sides.

BigJ71

I agree that it's easier to shoulder a gun or crossbow than draw a bow, but my point is there is still movement involved. Not everyone has a set up where they can see or hear the deer comming. Sometimes they just appear...I'm sure that has happend to you. At that moment while it may take slightly less movement to put the crossbow up to your shoulder you still have to move and you can still get busted.

I'm glad you never got caught lifting your gun. I'm sure you picked the right time to shoulder your gun right? Again, my point is there is still movement and if not carefull you will get busted.

I got busted moving into a shooting position last year with my bow and I didn't even get to the point where I was ready to draw. It would have made no difference what I had in my hands, I got caught.

I was just retorting the "there is no movement with a crossbow" thinking out there.

BTW, I live in Illinois and unless hadicapped crossbows are illegal. Infact I have never shot one.

datamax

great analogy for compounds vs trad bows too

Theres much more than that. The letoff for example. The high speeds. Of course the range. The accuracy. The power ...... and the biggest advantage ? Ease of use. Thats why everyone uses them, and few uses trad bows.

Great - make a list and share. I'll bet you'll find you're wrong.

BigJ12 - everyone thinks crossbows = instant success and instant accuracy and instant big bucks and lots of filled tags.

They are very wrong