ACF ANNOUNCES LAUNCHING OF BIG GAME CROSSBOW RECORD BOOK
06-03-2005, 01:26 PM
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adams - "challenging" is relative terminology, isn't it ? To a rifle hunter, a compound is a HUGE challenge. Crossbows are too. For a trad shooter a compound is a whole lot easier.
Compounds most certainly DO account for the vast majority of bowhunters in the woods, and the vast majority of the deer killed are compound killed.
That whole argument ......... its what freaked out everyone 4 decades ago when compounds were allowed, wasn't it ? And what came of it all ?
Bowhunting revolution like no one envisioned. If you sit back and think about it ......... it really IS unbelievable where Bowhunting has come from and what it is today compared to even 20 years ago, not to mention 40 year ago !
Thats a huge false assumption. Look a few threads down on the compounder shooting multiple deer as they filed by his stand ! Like poachers (who anti-crossbow supporters love to throw into the argument) they are wrong regardless of what weapons are in their hands and have no place in a valid debate -
I see absolutely no need for a seperate season. IF (a huge IF) archery tackle progresses to the point that bowhunters are killing so many deer that seasona and/or bag limits are being reduced than yeah - there needs to be a seperation or ban technology to a degree.
As it stands, thats not the case although what ya'll are seeing in the East (high numbers of bowhunters etc) can all be blamed on the modern compound bow, can't it ?
ELKINMTCWB - I must be a hell of a lot better hunter than you then ! I've got multiple shots at deer and elk, have drawn and let down several times ......... compound allow this.
But regardless .........
If there is, then theres a monumental move from a compound to a trad bow. WE really do need 3 seperate seasons then, don't we ??
Ready for yet another spanking ?
http://gf.state.wy.us/support/faq/index.asp?faqid=2#25
So you see, WY DOES allow the legal use of crossbows. i believe ALL states allow them in legal archery season. Most you have to have a permit, but allow them they do
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The answer is ........ the same answers that you would use for the question "how can compounds be good for bowhunting"
Compounds most certainly DO account for the vast majority of bowhunters in the woods, and the vast majority of the deer killed are compound killed.
That whole argument ......... its what freaked out everyone 4 decades ago when compounds were allowed, wasn't it ? And what came of it all ?
Bowhunting revolution like no one envisioned. If you sit back and think about it ......... it really IS unbelievable where Bowhunting has come from and what it is today compared to even 20 years ago, not to mention 40 year ago !
1) be more trad bow hunter and likely more slobs.
Thats a huge false assumption. Look a few threads down on the compounder shooting multiple deer as they filed by his stand ! Like poachers (who anti-crossbow supporters love to throw into the argument) they are wrong regardless of what weapons are in their hands and have no place in a valid debate -
So would you be happy if trad had it's own seperate season?
As it stands, thats not the case although what ya'll are seeing in the East (high numbers of bowhunters etc) can all be blamed on the modern compound bow, can't it ?
ELKINMTCWB - I must be a hell of a lot better hunter than you then ! I've got multiple shots at deer and elk, have drawn and let down several times ......... compound allow this.
But regardless .........
There is a huge dif. from moving a xbow to a compuond
WELL XBOWS ARE NOT LEAGAL AS ARCHERY WEPONS.
http://gf.state.wy.us/support/faq/index.asp?faqid=2#25
Q. Can I use a crossbow in Wyoming’s archery seasons?
A. Yes. The crossbow must have a minimum 90-pound draw weight and a minimum draw length of 14 inches from front of bow to back of string in the cocked position. The bow must be cocked by hand without aid of a leverage-gaining device. Handicapped hunters can get a special permit to use a cocking device, though.
A. Yes. The crossbow must have a minimum 90-pound draw weight and a minimum draw length of 14 inches from front of bow to back of string in the cocked position. The bow must be cocked by hand without aid of a leverage-gaining device. Handicapped hunters can get a special permit to use a cocking device, though.
So you see, WY DOES allow the legal use of crossbows. i believe ALL states allow them in legal archery season. Most you have to have a permit, but allow them they do
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I ask though, how possibly could adding crossbows to bowhunting be good for bowhunting?
06-03-2005, 01:30 PM
#132
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RE: ACF ANNOUNCES LAUNCHING OF BIG GAME CROSSBOW RECORD BOOK
Recruiting crossbow hunters doesn't grow the hunting population.. it reshuffles them.
Here I will repost the question:
Where are you guys getting your numbers from stating the numbers of hunters, crossbow hunters, and other archery hunters in Arkansas? Can you please post a link to that info?
You don't seem to think converting gun hunters to crossbow hunters, more than converted to archery will have an effect. I happen to believe it will based on how many towns and counties are looking for a viable alternative to gun use. In the long run .. 10 years even, that is going to be an issue.
06-03-2005, 01:38 PM
#133
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You don't seem to think converting gun hunters to crossbow hunters, more than converted to archery will have an effect. I happen to believe it will based on how many towns and counties are looking for a viable alternative to gun use. In the long run .. 10 years even, that is going to be an issue.
06-03-2005, 01:42 PM
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Silent Assasin -
I find hunter numbers (broken down by region and state) at ESPNoutdoors.com
Its easiest if you do a yohoo search for ESPN outdoors hunting forecast.
Make sure you find the newest page - they go back a ways.
I find hunter numbers (broken down by region and state) at ESPNoutdoors.com
Its easiest if you do a yohoo search for ESPN outdoors hunting forecast.
Make sure you find the newest page - they go back a ways.
06-03-2005, 01:44 PM
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data you inlage what I state and do not do full quotes.
1st I stated I have never got a 2nd shot at WHITE TAIL. I have shot more than 1 time at muleys and elk[ they are dumb and I could reload my xbow and shoot more than 1 time allso.
2nd you do not look at the deal here. We are NOT going over tard to compounds but BOWS to XBOWS. If they made 3 seasons I would be fine with that.
3rd READ the quoteyou put up from me. I stated MT[MONTANA for the off people] dose not alow xbows as leagal archery wepons.[If you are hanicapped you can get the right to use a xbow] but you have to apile for it.
AS I stated there is laws of what is leagal to hunt with in MT.in bow season XBOWS are not one of them. There is a hole list of things. Sould we fix ALL of them or just the ones YOU would like to be fixed.You cant hunt with any item having bataries in it. I would like to use some lighted sites.I would allso like to use 11 1/2 in ruger hand gun.In hand gun season.Or even better I would like to use my contender in hand gun season.BUT I GESS WE SHOULD FIX THE ONES YOU WANT 1ST.
I see you TOTALY skipped this coment.Like I said many times just piont out what you want to and skip the rest.
1st I stated I have never got a 2nd shot at WHITE TAIL. I have shot more than 1 time at muleys and elk[ they are dumb and I could reload my xbow and shoot more than 1 time allso.
2nd you do not look at the deal here. We are NOT going over tard to compounds but BOWS to XBOWS. If they made 3 seasons I would be fine with that.
3rd READ the quoteyou put up from me. I stated MT[MONTANA for the off people] dose not alow xbows as leagal archery wepons.[If you are hanicapped you can get the right to use a xbow] but you have to apile for it.
AS I stated there is laws of what is leagal to hunt with in MT.in bow season XBOWS are not one of them. There is a hole list of things. Sould we fix ALL of them or just the ones YOU would like to be fixed.You cant hunt with any item having bataries in it. I would like to use some lighted sites.I would allso like to use 11 1/2 in ruger hand gun.In hand gun season.Or even better I would like to use my contender in hand gun season.BUT I GESS WE SHOULD FIX THE ONES YOU WANT 1ST.
I see you TOTALY skipped this coment.Like I said many times just piont out what you want to and skip the rest.
06-03-2005, 01:45 PM
#136
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Sorry - i missed the part referring specifically to AR.
ESPN lists a range for AR bow hunters (20-50,000), I think.
But they list a specific harvest numberby bowhunters and a bowhunter success rate, so you can use these to calculate the number of bowhunters and crossbow hunters combined.
ESPN lists a range for AR bow hunters (20-50,000), I think.
But they list a specific harvest numberby bowhunters and a bowhunter success rate, so you can use these to calculate the number of bowhunters and crossbow hunters combined.
06-03-2005, 02:07 PM
#137
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Silent,
http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/news/sep0...eerhunting.htm
Here are some 2002 numbers I dug up from OH. It looks like they have lumped trad and compounds into "long bow". in 2002 crossbows accounted for about 40% more killes then "long bows" according to the DNR.
http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/news/sep0...eerhunting.htm
Here are some 2002 numbers I dug up from OH. It looks like they have lumped trad and compounds into "long bow". in 2002 crossbows accounted for about 40% more killes then "long bows" according to the DNR.
06-03-2005, 02:16 PM
#138
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Here are some more numbers (from MD)
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/dnrnews/p...04/090104.html
I'll dig for some more to see what I can find. It's interesting to compare numbers from diffrent regions of the country.
Here are some from GA2002-2003.
http://georgiawildlife.dnr.state.ga....=209&txtPage=3
And GA 2003-2004
http://georgiawildlife.dnr.state.ga....=209&txtPage=2
And in IN
http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/hunt/deer/deersum04.htm
Last season a total of 18,577 deer were taken with all archery equipment. Vertical bow hunters bagged 17,649 deer. Crossbow hunters harvested 358 deer during the 2003-04 four-week crossbow season. Total crossbow deer harvest (disabled hunters, firearm season, muzzleloader season, 4 week crossbow season) was 908
I'll dig for some more to see what I can find. It's interesting to compare numbers from diffrent regions of the country.
Here are some from GA2002-2003.
Thirty-five percent (35%) of deer hunters hunted with archery equipment. Twenty-four percent (24%) of these were succesful in harvesting a deer. It took the average archery deer hunter about 30 days to harvest a deer and the average archery deer hunter spent 12 days hunting deer. Does made up 83% of the archery deer harvest. The table belows provides additional information.
Archery Deer Hunters 97,392
Archery Buck Harvest 6,300
Archery Doe Harvest 31,500
Total Archery Harvest 37,800
Average Deer/Hunter 0.4
* Crossbow hunters - 17,322; Crossbow harvest - 4,429 (12% of archery harvest; 1% of total harvest)
Archery Deer Hunters 97,392
Archery Buck Harvest 6,300
Archery Doe Harvest 31,500
Total Archery Harvest 37,800
Average Deer/Hunter 0.4
* Crossbow hunters - 17,322; Crossbow harvest - 4,429 (12% of archery harvest; 1% of total harvest)
And GA 2003-2004
Archery Harvest (including crossbow)*
Almost thirty-seven percent (37%) of deer hunters hunted with archery equipment. Twenty-nine percent (29%) of these were succesful in harvesting a deer. It took the average archery deer hunter about 24 days to harvest a deer and the average archery deer hunter spent 13 days hunting deer. Does made up about 74% of the archery deer harvest. The table belows provides additional information.
Archery Deer Hunters 111,682
Archery Buck Harvest 15,300
Archery Doe Harvest 42,300
Total Archery Harvest 57,600
Average Deer/Hunter 0.5
* Number of hunters using a crossbow - 22,136;
Crossbow harvest - 10,313 (22% of archery harvest; 3% of total harvest)
Almost thirty-seven percent (37%) of deer hunters hunted with archery equipment. Twenty-nine percent (29%) of these were succesful in harvesting a deer. It took the average archery deer hunter about 24 days to harvest a deer and the average archery deer hunter spent 13 days hunting deer. Does made up about 74% of the archery deer harvest. The table belows provides additional information.
Archery Deer Hunters 111,682
Archery Buck Harvest 15,300
Archery Doe Harvest 42,300
Total Archery Harvest 57,600
Average Deer/Hunter 0.5
* Number of hunters using a crossbow - 22,136;
Crossbow harvest - 10,313 (22% of archery harvest; 3% of total harvest)
And in IN
A total of 123,058 deer was legally harvested in Indiana during the 2004 season. This harvest was a 15 percent increase from the 106,986 deer harvested during 2003. Compared to 2003, the antlered buck harvest of 54,768 represented a 10.6 percent increase from last year, and the antlerless harvest of 68,290 was 18.9 percent greater than that of 2003 (57,453). Total deer harvest has increased annually since 2000. Approximately 2.1 million deer have been legally harvested during the past 53 deer-hunting seasons in Indiana (Fig. 1).
The early archery season harvest of 20,511 deer comprised 16.7 percent of the total harvest and was 2.7 percent greater than during 2003 (Table 1). Two hundred and twelve of these deer were harvested during the early urban archery season (September 15-30). The late archery season harvest of 1,442 deer comprised 1.2 percent of the total harvest and was 15.9 percent greater than during 2003. The combined early and late archery season harvest of 21,953 was 3.5 percent greater than the 21,208 deer harvested during 2003. Antlerless deer comprised 62 percent of the total archery harvest, which was a 6-percentage point increase over last year.
The total crossbow harvest for the year, including deer taken on handicapped hunter crossbow permits, was 507 animals compared with 415 for 2003. During the late archery season, the crossbow harvest was 102 deer compared with 67 in 2003 and 59 in 2002.
The firearms season harvest of 84,551 deer was 18.1 percent greater than during 2003 and comprised 68.7 percent of the total harvest (Table 1). Antlerless harvest (41,444) increased 19.7 percent this season, and a record antlered buck harvest (43,107) was 16.6 percent greater than that of last year (36,961). Antlerless deer comprised 49 percent of the firearm season harvest, which was a 1-percentage point increase from 2003. About 53 percent of the total firearms season harvest (36 percent of the statewide total harvest for all seasons) occurred during opening weekend (Table 2).
The early archery season harvest of 20,511 deer comprised 16.7 percent of the total harvest and was 2.7 percent greater than during 2003 (Table 1). Two hundred and twelve of these deer were harvested during the early urban archery season (September 15-30). The late archery season harvest of 1,442 deer comprised 1.2 percent of the total harvest and was 15.9 percent greater than during 2003. The combined early and late archery season harvest of 21,953 was 3.5 percent greater than the 21,208 deer harvested during 2003. Antlerless deer comprised 62 percent of the total archery harvest, which was a 6-percentage point increase over last year.
The total crossbow harvest for the year, including deer taken on handicapped hunter crossbow permits, was 507 animals compared with 415 for 2003. During the late archery season, the crossbow harvest was 102 deer compared with 67 in 2003 and 59 in 2002.
The firearms season harvest of 84,551 deer was 18.1 percent greater than during 2003 and comprised 68.7 percent of the total harvest (Table 1). Antlerless harvest (41,444) increased 19.7 percent this season, and a record antlered buck harvest (43,107) was 16.6 percent greater than that of last year (36,961). Antlerless deer comprised 49 percent of the firearm season harvest, which was a 1-percentage point increase from 2003. About 53 percent of the total firearms season harvest (36 percent of the statewide total harvest for all seasons) occurred during opening weekend (Table 2).
06-03-2005, 03:05 PM
#139
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Deer hunter success rates: No current estimate, but the 2002/2003 ESPNOutdoors.com Deer Forecast put the number at approximately 50 percent overall.
Number of bowhunters: No current estimate, but the 2002/2003 ESPNOutdoors.com Deer Forecast put the number somewhere between 25,000 and 50,000 archers.
Bowhunter success rates: No current estimate, but the 2002/2003 ESPNOutdoors.com Deer Forecast put the number at approximately 35 percent.
Number of bowhunters: No current estimate, but the 2002/2003 ESPNOutdoors.com Deer Forecast put the number somewhere between 25,000 and 50,000 archers.
Bowhunter success rates: No current estimate, but the 2002/2003 ESPNOutdoors.com Deer Forecast put the number at approximately 35 percent.
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06-03-2005, 03:36 PM
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1st I stated I have never got a 2nd shot at WHITE TAIL. I have shot more than 1 time at muleys and elk[ they are dumb and I could reload my xbow and shoot more than 1 time allso.
2nd you do not look at the deal here. We are NOT going over tard to compounds but BOWS to XBOWS. If they made 3 seasons I would be fine with that.
3rd READ the quoteyou put up from me. I stated MT[MONTANA for the off people] dose not alow xbows as leagal archery wepons.[If you are hanicapped you can get the right to use a xbow] but you have to apile for it.
Which is it ? They do or they don't ? Do you know what a double negative is ?
MT ALLOWS crossbows. They do. I know that hurts you, but its true.
You cant hunt with any item having bataries in it. I would like to use some lighted sites.I would allso like to use 11 1/2 in ruger hand gun.In hand gun season.Or even better I would like to use my contender in hand gun season
I see you TOTALY skipped this coment.Like I said many times just piont out what you want to and skip the rest.
Do you do the same ?
ESPN lists a range for AR bow hunters (20-50,000), I think.
Gee, plus/minus 60% isn't too bad a guestimate huh ?