Help me build a new way to swap!
04-15-2005, 09:19 AM
#11
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Help me build a new way to swap!
i think the deposit would scare people off, it would me, thats the reason im doing swaps, not paying guides.
04-15-2005, 05:34 PM
#12
Fork Horn
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RE: Help me build a new way to swap!
youve had bad swaps, that sucks......
i do think there is something to what your saying. and maybe the money would help to an extent, but part of the reason for swaps is so you dont have money out of pocket, as some people with families are not able to turn in much of a deposit like that, with license costs and all. but on the same token, i do realize how lucky i have been in my swapping hunts. ive made a lot of lifelong friends.
i can see it both ways, maybe if the deposits werent too high it would work
brad
i do think there is something to what your saying. and maybe the money would help to an extent, but part of the reason for swaps is so you dont have money out of pocket, as some people with families are not able to turn in much of a deposit like that, with license costs and all. but on the same token, i do realize how lucky i have been in my swapping hunts. ive made a lot of lifelong friends.
i can see it both ways, maybe if the deposits werent too high it would work
brad
04-15-2005, 07:59 PM
#13
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RE: Help me build a new way to swap!
If I charge a large deposit, it will deter people from using it. If I don't, there will be people that don't use it. (kind of a loose - loose).
However, if the hunter feedback / Rating system is similar to Ebays'. Showing how many people this person has swapped with. And how many have had positve experiences with a %....
Let me ask this question - Would you feel comfortable making a deposit into a system, then booking, say, an Elk hunt. With a past hunter review of this:
20 hunts swapped
95% positive experience
The 1 out of 20 complained because it rained the whole time.
However, if the hunter feedback / Rating system is similar to Ebays'. Showing how many people this person has swapped with. And how many have had positve experiences with a %....
Let me ask this question - Would you feel comfortable making a deposit into a system, then booking, say, an Elk hunt. With a past hunter review of this:
20 hunts swapped
95% positive experience
The 1 out of 20 complained because it rained the whole time.
04-15-2005, 09:49 PM
#14
Fork Horn
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RE: Help me build a new way to swap!
the way i see any out of area hunt, guided or no.....
if the accomodations were up to snuff per what was prearranged, the "host" gave a good overall effort, and game was present, whether i fill or not, althuogh i do like to see at least one decent animal per trip, then it was a good deal. if i wanted a guarenteed kill id hunt behind a fence (ya right). sometimes things just dont work out. this last year i went to ohio on a swap hunt. i did not see a decent buck, but.... the weather my whole trip was high winds and rain. sign was abundant. the one day i chose the wrong stand, my buck showed up under the other one set up on the other side of the property. passed up numerous does and little bucks. had a blast. fill a tag, no. good swap, hell yes!!!!!!
one thing to note with the rating system, some people will never be happy unless they get the big one. for some, no amount of effort will work if they dont get the buck they want. that is ridiculous, but it is a fact. maybe the rating system should have a few catagories every hunter would have to list, ie host effort, sign, game seen, harvests, hunt according to predetermined agreement, etc.
something else i thought of. what if nobody wanted what someone was offering. that is gonig to be a problem im sure, so many people want to try something new, and only have whitetails to offer. would there be a limit, like only 1 or 2 trips, and then you have to host to be elidgible again? or will it be a free for all? just a thought
on the info on your hypothetical situation, hell yes id do that hunt. rain is uncontrolable, and some people ya cant please
brad
if the accomodations were up to snuff per what was prearranged, the "host" gave a good overall effort, and game was present, whether i fill or not, althuogh i do like to see at least one decent animal per trip, then it was a good deal. if i wanted a guarenteed kill id hunt behind a fence (ya right). sometimes things just dont work out. this last year i went to ohio on a swap hunt. i did not see a decent buck, but.... the weather my whole trip was high winds and rain. sign was abundant. the one day i chose the wrong stand, my buck showed up under the other one set up on the other side of the property. passed up numerous does and little bucks. had a blast. fill a tag, no. good swap, hell yes!!!!!!
one thing to note with the rating system, some people will never be happy unless they get the big one. for some, no amount of effort will work if they dont get the buck they want. that is ridiculous, but it is a fact. maybe the rating system should have a few catagories every hunter would have to list, ie host effort, sign, game seen, harvests, hunt according to predetermined agreement, etc.
something else i thought of. what if nobody wanted what someone was offering. that is gonig to be a problem im sure, so many people want to try something new, and only have whitetails to offer. would there be a limit, like only 1 or 2 trips, and then you have to host to be elidgible again? or will it be a free for all? just a thought
on the info on your hypothetical situation, hell yes id do that hunt. rain is uncontrolable, and some people ya cant please
brad
04-16-2005, 05:53 AM
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RE: Help me build a new way to swap!
That's a great point. We really need two rating systems.
1). One for the hunters to rate their experience.
and
2.) One for us to rate what someone can exchange for.
the second would be an administrator tool. Adjusting based on the type and quality of the hunt, but also, the ratings of other hunters. a Trade Value.
This would limit the person that deposits a bad hunt from getting a good one.
1). One for the hunters to rate their experience.
and
2.) One for us to rate what someone can exchange for.
the second would be an administrator tool. Adjusting based on the type and quality of the hunt, but also, the ratings of other hunters. a Trade Value.
This would limit the person that deposits a bad hunt from getting a good one.
04-16-2005, 06:19 PM
#16
Fork Horn
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RE: Help me build a new way to swap!
but that may run people off, if they dont have a hunt "worth" what someone else has. how will this be decided? i think this is where your gonna run into problems, unless you limit it to one for one, but then some people may not be able to go on many trips. i could be wrong on this, but some of these hunts jsut wont be big draws i dont think. when i was advertising my swaps online, i offered "guided" muley and antelope combo, with high odds of success for both species. i had a lot of interest, but so many said all they had were deer, and they even mentioned that the trade may not be fair. i think this is a great idea, one i would like to be a part of, but i just worry that some people through no fault of their own will not get to enjoy it like some others.
any ideas on how to combat this, everybody wins??
brad
any ideas on how to combat this, everybody wins??
brad
04-16-2005, 08:07 PM
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RE: Help me build a new way to swap!
Well, lets look at the two scenarios.
1. one for one
First come first serve. You put something in, you get something out.
I think alot of people, would put in something worth nothing and get something of high value. and for example you put in your trip antelope/muleys and end up having to pick ...say.... a day of carp fishing. You wouldn't be very happy. I don't think I like this one
2. Trade Values ( for example I'll use 1 to 10)
You deposit a high quality antelope/muley trip Rates an 8. This means, you get to pick from anything that scores an 8 or lower.
Now, lets say I have something that scores a 2 (maybe a day of squirel hunting?).
In this case I couldn't get yours, but you could get mine, if you wanted to.
This may keep people with lower value trips from depositing, but you know what - what other option are they going to have? If they want your trip, you're not going to swap with them anyway. They would still have more options with this than without.
And at least you know you have access to trips higher in quality than most.
Now another variable, lets say someone else deposits a trip very similar to yours. Except, you have a high satisfaction rating of 95% and he has a rating of 60%. Obviously your would have more value, maintaining your 8. He gets a 2 or 3 point deduction because his rating is much lower.
I don't intend for these rating and percentages to be exact, just an example of how it could work.
1. one for one
First come first serve. You put something in, you get something out.
I think alot of people, would put in something worth nothing and get something of high value. and for example you put in your trip antelope/muleys and end up having to pick ...say.... a day of carp fishing. You wouldn't be very happy. I don't think I like this one
2. Trade Values ( for example I'll use 1 to 10)
You deposit a high quality antelope/muley trip Rates an 8. This means, you get to pick from anything that scores an 8 or lower.
Now, lets say I have something that scores a 2 (maybe a day of squirel hunting?).
In this case I couldn't get yours, but you could get mine, if you wanted to.
This may keep people with lower value trips from depositing, but you know what - what other option are they going to have? If they want your trip, you're not going to swap with them anyway. They would still have more options with this than without.
And at least you know you have access to trips higher in quality than most.
Now another variable, lets say someone else deposits a trip very similar to yours. Except, you have a high satisfaction rating of 95% and he has a rating of 60%. Obviously your would have more value, maintaining your 8. He gets a 2 or 3 point deduction because his rating is much lower.
I don't intend for these rating and percentages to be exact, just an example of how it could work.
04-16-2005, 11:12 PM
#18
Fork Horn
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RE: Help me build a new way to swap!
i like it. that may work pretty well.
one thing i would maybe look at, maybe higher ratings for hunts with great reviews, maybe even over trips like mine, a combo. if the host is up to snuff though, the rating should speak for itself.
what if a guy did take a trip with a substantially lower rating then his oiwn? could he take two for his one, or would it be one for one? ya never know, squirrell hunting maybe what someone is looking for.
speaking for my self here, i would be looking at trips with hosts of the highest precentages, not so much the species i would be after. also, what if soneone with a trip worth say an 8, wanted to go on a trip with a guy whos rated 9? i know its more than his, but there close, and anything that high should be a quality trip either way.
i think your on to a helluva idea, make it work. i would probably put a couple hunts in the hat on my end
brad
one thing i would maybe look at, maybe higher ratings for hunts with great reviews, maybe even over trips like mine, a combo. if the host is up to snuff though, the rating should speak for itself.
what if a guy did take a trip with a substantially lower rating then his oiwn? could he take two for his one, or would it be one for one? ya never know, squirrell hunting maybe what someone is looking for.
speaking for my self here, i would be looking at trips with hosts of the highest precentages, not so much the species i would be after. also, what if soneone with a trip worth say an 8, wanted to go on a trip with a guy whos rated 9? i know its more than his, but there close, and anything that high should be a quality trip either way.
i think your on to a helluva idea, make it work. i would probably put a couple hunts in the hat on my end
brad
04-17-2005, 05:59 AM
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RE: Help me build a new way to swap!
My concern with letting people pick 2 because they have a higher rating is this.
Say yours is an 8, and there are 2 - 3's and a 2 that you want. Lets also assume this is in the early stages where there are not allot of deposits, maybe 10. If you were allowed to take those 3, we would have two others that couldn't book. That concerns me a bit.
How about this? This may be the answer to both of your questions.
Once your inside a, say, 60 day window (or 45, or 30), it opens up. Allowing all hunters to pick from all trips. In other words an 8 could pick a 10 (this would keep trips from going unused).
We could also, in the same time frame run specials, where you got to pick 2 for 1's.
Again allowing what might go unused, to be used. That way it's not taking away from someone that was going to book it as there 1 for 1?
Say yours is an 8, and there are 2 - 3's and a 2 that you want. Lets also assume this is in the early stages where there are not allot of deposits, maybe 10. If you were allowed to take those 3, we would have two others that couldn't book. That concerns me a bit.
How about this? This may be the answer to both of your questions.
Once your inside a, say, 60 day window (or 45, or 30), it opens up. Allowing all hunters to pick from all trips. In other words an 8 could pick a 10 (this would keep trips from going unused).
We could also, in the same time frame run specials, where you got to pick 2 for 1's.
Again allowing what might go unused, to be used. That way it's not taking away from someone that was going to book it as there 1 for 1?
04-17-2005, 10:21 PM
#20
Fork Horn
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RE: Help me build a new way to swap!
this all sounds pretty good, but heres one more thought.
your last post says it would open up within either 30, 45, or 60 days, if not already filled. anyway, at least for me i set my swaps up VERY early, for two reasons. one, in wyoming, and many other western states, non residents must apply very early. also, i set em up early so i know how much vacation to delegate to all hunts, mine and my swaps.
these could interfere i think, but can be worked around im sure
brad
your last post says it would open up within either 30, 45, or 60 days, if not already filled. anyway, at least for me i set my swaps up VERY early, for two reasons. one, in wyoming, and many other western states, non residents must apply very early. also, i set em up early so i know how much vacation to delegate to all hunts, mine and my swaps.
these could interfere i think, but can be worked around im sure
brad