I can look down on you for using a compound
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RE: I can look down on you for using a compound
Data
If most compounders were, as you say, opportunists that are looking for the easy way into archery....they would embrace crossbows.
I seriously disagree with you here, dude.
Traditionalists are the purists, I agree with that. They have chosen the toughest path, and god bless them. I hope that their motives are pure - to increase the challenge of bowhunting by further decreasing the range required to take an ethical shot.
Compounders are more pragmatic. They increase their lethality so that they can capitalize on those opportunities that are just outside the range of traditionalists, or raise the certainty of those chances inside said boundaries.
I will agree there are yahoos with compounds out there that "tech up" to increase their range and take questionable shots. I do not believe that most, or even many, of the folks you chat with here fall into that group.
Maybe I am just naive.
If most compounders were, as you say, opportunists that are looking for the easy way into archery....they would embrace crossbows.
I seriously disagree with you here, dude.
Traditionalists are the purists, I agree with that. They have chosen the toughest path, and god bless them. I hope that their motives are pure - to increase the challenge of bowhunting by further decreasing the range required to take an ethical shot.
Compounders are more pragmatic. They increase their lethality so that they can capitalize on those opportunities that are just outside the range of traditionalists, or raise the certainty of those chances inside said boundaries.
I will agree there are yahoos with compounds out there that "tech up" to increase their range and take questionable shots. I do not believe that most, or even many, of the folks you chat with here fall into that group.
Maybe I am just naive.
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RE: I can look down on you for using a compound
How old are you thesource ?
Compounders are not the dedicated lot that trad guys are. Some are - for sure, and they number many because there are millions of compound shooters.
Look back on the threads leading up to last deer season. 1 week before opener and guys are freaking saying their bows aren't shooting good, or their broadheads fly different or what head should i shoot etc etc.
Dime a dozen, and I mean that, and its not restricted to compounds, its recurve shooters, rifle shooters, shotgun shooters, compound shooters - its widespread.
I'm pretty dedicated - hunting is what I do - it IS my hobby with few other things getting any attention. I can control what I do, my personal ethics and everyone else ? Not a lot I can do. And funny thing ........... I can practice hundreds of hours, climb into a stand a miss a buck first day, and the fools picking their compounds up the week before opener can go out and walk up on a 180" buck with a 20 year old compound and kill it.
Leaves me with my mouth open ........ it really does
Compounders are not the dedicated lot that trad guys are. Some are - for sure, and they number many because there are millions of compound shooters.
Look back on the threads leading up to last deer season. 1 week before opener and guys are freaking saying their bows aren't shooting good, or their broadheads fly different or what head should i shoot etc etc.
Dime a dozen, and I mean that, and its not restricted to compounds, its recurve shooters, rifle shooters, shotgun shooters, compound shooters - its widespread.
I'm pretty dedicated - hunting is what I do - it IS my hobby with few other things getting any attention. I can control what I do, my personal ethics and everyone else ? Not a lot I can do. And funny thing ........... I can practice hundreds of hours, climb into a stand a miss a buck first day, and the fools picking their compounds up the week before opener can go out and walk up on a 180" buck with a 20 year old compound and kill it.
Leaves me with my mouth open ........ it really does
#23
RE: I can look down on you for using a compound
ORIGINAL: datamax
EXACTLY !!
So .......... we need to seperate compounds out of archery season.
Right ?
Essentially the same weapon, yet seperate seasons
So .......... we need to seperate compounds out of archery season.
Right ?
#24
RE: I can look down on you for using a compound
ORIGINAL: datamax
Compounders are not the dedicated lot that trad guys are. Some are - for sure, and they number many because there are millions of compound shooters.
Compounders are not the dedicated lot that trad guys are. Some are - for sure, and they number many because there are millions of compound shooters.
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RE: I can look down on you for using a compound
I'm 41 - not a kid, by any means.
A lot of compounders are just as dedicated as traditional guys.
I bend over backwards to help the technically inept prior to bowseason. Spine matching, FOC, broadhead tuning...many of these things that are not any where near as important in traditional as they are with compounds.
There are yahoos in every lot...I can't even begin to tell you the number of guys who believe their saboted 12 ga is the ballistic equivalent of a 7mm Rem Mag.
The majority of compounders are dedicated, ethical bowhunters.,,I really believe that. Or they will become dedicated, ethical bowhunters in the near future, or they will quit. Rallying the troups around crossbows only invites a whole other groups of yahoos to the bow season. I can't see where that helps anyone.
A lot of compounders are just as dedicated as traditional guys.
I bend over backwards to help the technically inept prior to bowseason. Spine matching, FOC, broadhead tuning...many of these things that are not any where near as important in traditional as they are with compounds.
There are yahoos in every lot...I can't even begin to tell you the number of guys who believe their saboted 12 ga is the ballistic equivalent of a 7mm Rem Mag.
The majority of compounders are dedicated, ethical bowhunters.,,I really believe that. Or they will become dedicated, ethical bowhunters in the near future, or they will quit. Rallying the troups around crossbows only invites a whole other groups of yahoos to the bow season. I can't see where that helps anyone.
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RE: I can look down on you for using a compound
I'm not completely certain what the goal of this thread is?There is no question that to Master traditional equipment is much more difficult then shooting a compound.To insinuate that shooting effectively shooting a compound is as simple as you are stating it to be isn't at all accurate,unless you were a long time compound shooter who chose to go traditional and then went back to a compound.
I am a very competent compound shooter after having taken years of practice and thousands and thousands of arrows shot.With the hunting knowledge I have I could purchase a crossbow and be same day immediately successful.I am not opposed to crossbow hunting,I am just saying that the time and effort required to be proficient with a crossbow cannot be fairly compared with a compound bow.If you are being realistic there is no way not to see this.
We all know examples of people who aren't as practiced as they should be,to that I say a slob is a slob is a slob,regardless of what weapon that person is using.
I have seen many threads where people are focusing on the differences between hunters and their methods.Personally I think that we are our own worst enemy in that regard.Our righteousness on these issues is going to bite us in a big way if we don't get it together!
I am a very competent compound shooter after having taken years of practice and thousands and thousands of arrows shot.With the hunting knowledge I have I could purchase a crossbow and be same day immediately successful.I am not opposed to crossbow hunting,I am just saying that the time and effort required to be proficient with a crossbow cannot be fairly compared with a compound bow.If you are being realistic there is no way not to see this.
We all know examples of people who aren't as practiced as they should be,to that I say a slob is a slob is a slob,regardless of what weapon that person is using.
I have seen many threads where people are focusing on the differences between hunters and their methods.Personally I think that we are our own worst enemy in that regard.Our righteousness on these issues is going to bite us in a big way if we don't get it together!
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RE: I can look down on you for using a compound
just speaking for me here of course....
i dont give a rat's ass what anybody hunts with, be it recurve, compound, or crossbow. i personally hunt with recurves and compounds both, and would love to try a crossbow. i dont think i would ever hunt big game in archery season with it, at least not bucks. maybe a doe tag? i think crossbows would be the cats meow on spring turkeys. sounds like fun. but i wont give up my recurve or compound either.
maybe im in the minority, but i think hunters need to stick together to win versus the antis, and dividing isnt the way to do it.
i dont care what you shoot, im in this for a good time, and some venison steaks
brad
i dont give a rat's ass what anybody hunts with, be it recurve, compound, or crossbow. i personally hunt with recurves and compounds both, and would love to try a crossbow. i dont think i would ever hunt big game in archery season with it, at least not bucks. maybe a doe tag? i think crossbows would be the cats meow on spring turkeys. sounds like fun. but i wont give up my recurve or compound either.
maybe im in the minority, but i think hunters need to stick together to win versus the antis, and dividing isnt the way to do it.
i dont care what you shoot, im in this for a good time, and some venison steaks
brad
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RE: I can look down on you for using a compound
Hunting with traditional tackle is pretty hard. I so badly want to do it...but its either my skills or the cruddy old traditional equipment I have that wont let me improve enough to loose an arrow at game.
Been there, and back, and there again ..... thats why I picked up the compound last fall.
Compound cant be snap-shot the way I can shoot my recurve.
Mind you I'm still a rookie at the trad thing .......... but don't snap shoot. For me, my target MUST be standing still, I cannot shoot a moving target like I can with a compound (yet). Fred could snap shoot - most trad guys cannot. Why ? Its the focusing thing. Boring a hole where you want the arrow to go. If the target is moving, if your rushed into that snap shooting mode ........ much harder to do IMO
I wasnt talking about shooting running shots....Although, a few years ago, I was shooting the recurve at swinging coke cans and I was better at that, then I was at shooting a spot....That was at 15-20 yards too....Now I can hardly hit a barn.....hahahahaa....well maybe a barn, but not a specific location. hehehee
Why do we have to belittle one weapon over another?
I don't think we do. Why ? Because in states that allow crossbows they have never been known to cause any issues - none of the fears people have of them have ever surfaced. Allow them - allow compounds .......... whats it matter really ?
Data, I think you made your point that it is more difficult to hunt with a recurve in some respects. Anyway you can let it rest now?
Most guys shoot compounds. Why ? The answer there will tell you that compounds are vaslty more efficient weapons to kill animals. Thats your reason - you need go no further. Crossbows aint got jack on a compound really. In states that allow crossbows you still got like 60-70% or more of the guys using compounds.
Id really like a thread written by one of the die hard trad shooters, and I would appreciate it a lot more than this.
Go to Tradgang - no compound threads or crossbow threads allowed there. Read up the Leatherwall...
Oh and you're shooting the Hoyt Gamemaster right? How do you like that bow? I was gonna get one, but couldnt justify spending a dime on something I cant do with what I have already. I also like the AIM deerslayer....just a pretty recurve. Someday maybe, but for now the one I have will do.....
Have a good one---Matt