please tell me just one negative to crossbows
03-16-2005, 04:31 PM
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
Pretty cocky aren't ya?.........and misguided I might ad
What do you think we just sit in our stands holding our bows at full draw waiting for an animal to approach?
I got news for ya.......we HAVE TO DRAW THEM, we have to find a way to get away with that movement, find the right time to draw the bow back.........of course we will wait until an animal is behind a tree etc.
Guess what else? Sometimes, many times we cannot get the bow back because the animal doesn't offer us the opportunity to........or worse yet, we draw the bow back and the animal doesn't give us a shot. Then guess what? We have to LET DOWN the bow because I don't know of anyone who can hold one back for 4 hrs like you can.
What do you as a crossbow hunter have to do when an animal approaches.......do you need to stand and consider when to draw? Do you have to find just the right moment to try to get your bow drawn? Do you have to let down if the animal turns and hangs up? Do you do anything like that?
No you don't.........you aim and wait for the animal to present the shot. PERIOD.
Oh wait I do guess you have to take the safety off as well........sorry.
And if you think they are the same then you are a brainwashed individual simply because you choose to hunt with a crossbow, or like crossbows or whatever, but they are not even close to being the same.
I can tell you with 100% certainty that I would have 3 bucks over 140" on my wall had I been hunting with a crossbow rather than a hand drawn compound bow. I can say that with certainty, because had all I needed to do in each case was aim and shoot they are dead...........however because I had to do all of the above that I mentioned, and didn't do them just right, those bucks walked away. And that's just fine by me because that is ARCHERY hunting, not gun hunting.
There is no parallel to hunting with a bow and hunting with a crossbow other than the way the projectile kills.
I'm not an anti crossbow nut.........but I sure am an anti crossbow in ARCHERY season nut. Ague all you want they aren't comparable. That is a fact, not an opinion.
Neither draw when the deer is in the presence of the shooter
I got news for ya.......we HAVE TO DRAW THEM, we have to find a way to get away with that movement, find the right time to draw the bow back.........of course we will wait until an animal is behind a tree etc.
Guess what else? Sometimes, many times we cannot get the bow back because the animal doesn't offer us the opportunity to........or worse yet, we draw the bow back and the animal doesn't give us a shot. Then guess what? We have to LET DOWN the bow because I don't know of anyone who can hold one back for 4 hrs like you can.
What do you as a crossbow hunter have to do when an animal approaches.......do you need to stand and consider when to draw? Do you have to find just the right moment to try to get your bow drawn? Do you have to let down if the animal turns and hangs up? Do you do anything like that?
No you don't.........you aim and wait for the animal to present the shot. PERIOD.
Oh wait I do guess you have to take the safety off as well........sorry.
And if you think they are the same then you are a brainwashed individual simply because you choose to hunt with a crossbow, or like crossbows or whatever, but they are not even close to being the same.
I can tell you with 100% certainty that I would have 3 bucks over 140" on my wall had I been hunting with a crossbow rather than a hand drawn compound bow. I can say that with certainty, because had all I needed to do in each case was aim and shoot they are dead...........however because I had to do all of the above that I mentioned, and didn't do them just right, those bucks walked away. And that's just fine by me because that is ARCHERY hunting, not gun hunting.
There is no parallel to hunting with a bow and hunting with a crossbow other than the way the projectile kills.
I'm not an anti crossbow nut.........but I sure am an anti crossbow in ARCHERY season nut. Ague all you want they aren't comparable. That is a fact, not an opinion.
03-16-2005, 04:34 PM
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
Yes it is good for Arkansas. The AGFC commissioners realize that there is really no issue there between crossbows and other archery. Again, it is perception and I'm suprised that some of the Moderators of this forum are so close minded about it. If your state doesn't allow it, that's there choice. As long as it is a legal method and it gets hunters who might not otherwise be hunting out, I'm all for it. I understand in northern states it might be a bit more crowded especially if you hunt public land. But don't force your opinions down other people's throats in states that do allow hunting with a crossbow.
03-16-2005, 04:37 PM
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
So now it comes down to definitions and how each individual perceives them?
We can discuss what IS and ISN'T legal in archery season til we're blue in the face. Thats NOT what I'm getting at.
What I'm saying, and asking, is that IF there is or has been ANY negatives from crossbow use, post them. Show me. I argued for a while AGAINST crossbows until someone asked me why I believed like I did and honesly, my argument didn't hold water and I was forced to continue believing something that was flawed or rethink it all.
IF crossbows have ANY negative impact, I'll lobby against them with the lot of you. But I would do the same if compounds showed to be bad or rifles etc. But crossbows have never been shown to have a negative impact, have they ?
03-16-2005, 04:38 PM
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
Datamax, your argument of xbows = more hunters is not valid IMO. In MS, 99% of hunters by a sportsmans licenses. With that license you can hunt all game by all legal methods. If xbows are legalized, I guarantee you that 99% of those who use one will be individuals who already gun hunt therefore already buy licences.
There may be other economic impacts, such as food, gas, etc... But since when is hunting about nothing more than making money?
The following is a excert from The Mississippi Bowhunters Association Website, biased I admit, but I support their stance 110%.
There may be other economic impacts, such as food, gas, etc... But since when is hunting about nothing more than making money?
The following is a excert from The Mississippi Bowhunters Association Website, biased I admit, but I support their stance 110%.
Why not crossbows in the Archery season?
1) It's not a bow.
2) Archers in general disapprove of it. (!!!!)
3) With Mississippi's traditional use of SCC, it's a silent poachers tool when shot from the cab of a truck.
4) Crossbow usage will not encourage new growth in hunting...it will just redistribute former gun hunters into archery seasons.
5) Archery seasons are already open to all hunters in this state. Not one single license holder is denied to hunt with a bow.
6) 75 plus days already exist for those who want to shoot shouldered, scoped, and triggered weapons. It's called fair and equal season allotments.
7) Safety Issues...Precocked bows lifted up tree stands and on ATV's, new "archers" with no prior bowhunting experiance with drugged tipped arrows, sliced off fingers caused by wrapping fingers around stock (rifle style) Alabama's newest crossbow sportsmen now have fewer fingers due to string slice.
8) Economic hardships placed on current archery shops who choose not to sell non-bow equipment.
9) Provides a steeping stone to introductuion of black powder weapons in formerly archery only seasons. Why?...the technology gap is being narrowed.
10) Last reason...It's not needed or being asked for by the overwhelming majority of sportsmen in the state. Ultimately, this is about someone making money. Why else the push? If I was a die in the wool rifle hunter I would be fighting mad. This will just result on a much heavier kill in archery seasons before the gun season opens.
You may not agree with all (or none) of what I have said above. But I assure you that if this legislation passes, archery hunting will never be as you rememebred it in this state.
Mark Livingston
1) It's not a bow.
2) Archers in general disapprove of it. (!!!!)
3) With Mississippi's traditional use of SCC, it's a silent poachers tool when shot from the cab of a truck.
4) Crossbow usage will not encourage new growth in hunting...it will just redistribute former gun hunters into archery seasons.
5) Archery seasons are already open to all hunters in this state. Not one single license holder is denied to hunt with a bow.
6) 75 plus days already exist for those who want to shoot shouldered, scoped, and triggered weapons. It's called fair and equal season allotments.
7) Safety Issues...Precocked bows lifted up tree stands and on ATV's, new "archers" with no prior bowhunting experiance with drugged tipped arrows, sliced off fingers caused by wrapping fingers around stock (rifle style) Alabama's newest crossbow sportsmen now have fewer fingers due to string slice.
8) Economic hardships placed on current archery shops who choose not to sell non-bow equipment.
9) Provides a steeping stone to introductuion of black powder weapons in formerly archery only seasons. Why?...the technology gap is being narrowed.
10) Last reason...It's not needed or being asked for by the overwhelming majority of sportsmen in the state. Ultimately, this is about someone making money. Why else the push? If I was a die in the wool rifle hunter I would be fighting mad. This will just result on a much heavier kill in archery seasons before the gun season opens.
You may not agree with all (or none) of what I have said above. But I assure you that if this legislation passes, archery hunting will never be as you rememebred it in this state.
Mark Livingston
03-16-2005, 04:40 PM
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
But don't force your opinions down other people's throats in states that do allow it.
If your state allows it for whatever reason then that's your bag, I don't happen to agree with it for personal reasons, and will fight against the same thing happening in my state.
He wants a debate........he'll get a debate.
03-16-2005, 04:40 PM
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
Again, it is perception and I'm suprised that some of the Moderators of this forum are so close minded about it. If your state doesn't allow it, that's there choice. But don't force your opinions down other people's throats in states that do allow it.
Why can't crossbows be used in firerarms season? It would fit in very well there.
03-16-2005, 04:46 PM
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
Pretty cocky aren't ya?.........and misguided I might ad
Your argument started out with "a crossbow is a gun" and I think we both agree its vastly far from it.
You shifted from that into the old "you still have to draw the bow" argument. Okay ...... if drawing your bow and how the game is geographically located to the hunter is what makes a bow a bow I submit then that a compound isn't a bow. Why ? Well, compared to recurve/longbow that must be drawn at the moment the deer is to be shot is vastly different than drawing when its NOT, holding the bow with 80% or greater letoff and then shooting when convenient.
I'm pointing this out like this because its true - however you choose to gauge WHY a crossbows isn't to be allowed, the same exact core argument can be held to compounds vs longbows/recurves. That is a true, its factual, I've done this a thousand time and it rally comes down to this - compound shooters LOVe to shoot triggers, tricked out bows, high speeds, cams/wheels, high letoffs - all the bells and whistles - almost anything to make your archery hunting EASIER. Thats human nature, its the way hunters are. Yet you don't want to allow crossbows .............. why ? What are the negatives ? Sure, its easy in a sense compared to compounds isn't it ? but wait, compounds are very easy compared to recurve/longbows, so where does that lead the argument ?
And back to my orig question - one negative please that crossbows have resulted in.
Just one please
03-16-2005, 04:50 PM
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
Matt / PA - I'm not forcing anything. Your states G&F will decide, and that deicison will hopefully be based on biological data and not influenced too much by special intrest groups although as wel know it very much will be. And yeah, crossbow manufacturers will pull hard, and so mill compounds manufactureres and P&Y club etc etc.
But I didn't start this to fight like cats and dogs. Debate it with me. Please SHOW me why crossbows are bad. Why ? Yes, they are diffrernt in their design but not unlike how compounds are vastly differnt that recurves/longbow in appearance, use, accuracy etc etc.
Double Creek - what would happen if MS tripled its archery kill this fall ? If there were 3X the people killing 3X the numbers of deer. What would happen in your opinion ?
But I didn't start this to fight like cats and dogs. Debate it with me. Please SHOW me why crossbows are bad. Why ? Yes, they are diffrernt in their design but not unlike how compounds are vastly differnt that recurves/longbow in appearance, use, accuracy etc etc.
Double Creek - what would happen if MS tripled its archery kill this fall ? If there were 3X the people killing 3X the numbers of deer. What would happen in your opinion ?
03-16-2005, 04:53 PM
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RE: please tell me just one negative to crossbows
The only negative I have now for crossbows seems to be the type of personalities they attract.
This thread will never end until you get the answer you're waiting for...
Datamax, there is absolutely no negatives to crossbows. They are fabulous marvels of modern hunting and should be included in both firearm and archery season as a testament to their true versatility and superiority.
This thread will never end until you get the answer you're waiting for...
Datamax, there is absolutely no negatives to crossbows. They are fabulous marvels of modern hunting and should be included in both firearm and archery season as a testament to their true versatility and superiority.