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Old 05-28-2004, 06:05 AM
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cannot say whether the spine hs degraded as I never tested them back in Mid-December when I bought them.
Found the post I was thinking of.....you said degredation of straightness..........I remembered it as spine ...which was wrong ......anyway ....sorry for putting out the wrong info. !!
No prob CBM, I just wanted to clarify
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Old 05-28-2004, 06:21 AM
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Thanks Jeff,

I hear you on the runoff. I have been testing all my arrows in stock this past week also. Must be an Easton thing because my Bemans had the worst runoff of almost all my shafts. I do notice that all shafts with specs of .003 or worse have more run out that any makes shaft with a .001 rating. I still think having that .001 within 28” is the best starting point and results in a straighter overall shaft – even at the ends.
ABSOLUTELY! start with the best you can find. Even the CX 3D selects and GoldTip Pros have some run-out on occasion, however the vast majority of the time it's minimal and easily cut out. I have a new dozen of the GoldTip Pro Hunter 75/95s, and all but two are immaculate for starightness. The other two have a very slight wobble at one end or the other that I'm not sure would be much of a problem even for someone who is using them full length.

My Parker SuperCarbons rolled better than all my other shafts – thus my post in the equipment forum that NOBODY responded to . They seem like decent quality shaft.
I've yet to see any except at the show. I do know they are made overseas. I've heard mixed messages re: them. Curious... did a manufacturers rep send you a dozen to test? Beware, 'cos they always send the cream of the crop when trying to get your business!

Question – What process of manufacturing is causing the end runoff? I assume the shafts are cut from a longer blank. If so why are the ends out? It doesn’t make sense that a long blank would be straight for 28” then runoff, then straight for 28”, then runoff. What am I missing.
I'm not positive either. I've read up on the various techniques for making carbon fiber tubing. Some use a final layer of a heat shrink type wrap which then compresses the fiber while it cures in an oven. I would think this would eliminate that, however from my readings I believe that final shrink process is not used when making the "wrapped" type shafting we use for archery (though I could have mis-read the documentation..it's been awhile). At any rate, I don't know how long the mandrels used are. The only thing I could think of is that the tubing is removed from the mandrel before it is fully cured, and as it sits wherever, the ends "lift up" as it cools/dries. But I don't know for a fact. The arrow manufacturers are extremely secretive about the actual process (rightly so, I guess).

P.S. can you send me some GT info, or a contact name and number?
I'm out of town for the next 8 days Chuck, so I can fax you the dealer info I have when I get back. But I would recommend you just head over to the GoldTip website,go to the contacts page, give 'em a call and ask for Tim Gillingham ("X-cutter" over @ ArcheryTalk). He is one of the sales reps.
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Old 05-28-2004, 06:22 AM
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In talking to some of the manufacturers of carbon arrows, they EXPECT you to cut from 1-1 1/2" off each end. Let's see, if I start with a 32" blank and cut 1 1/2" off each end, that leaves me with a 29" blank arrow. Sorry, to those of you who want/have to shoot 30+" arrows.[]

Then you've got to consider that some actually have to be cut more than 1 1/2" from each end. Those are the less expensive models. I've been told, "If the customer wants a better arrow, they'll have to pay more money". Sometimes, however, we're dupped when we do spend more money and don't get what we thought we paid for. Can you say "Catch 22"?

Can I get a HALLELUJAH???
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Old 05-28-2004, 10:52 AM
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I fletched 6 to start with and got excellent groups ......but after a couple of months they opened up......still good by most standards ....but not for me ! Fletched my other 6 and was busting nocks again !
Same here. After talking with Jeff about his findings I started to really notice that my groups were opening up as well. I had some set aside and was literally busting nocks with them as well but when I went back to the ones that had many shots on them my groups opened up once more.

I am still probably going to use them for hunting but have set them aside at the moment. I am using some of the Beman ICSs on one of my bows right now and ACCs on the other. Both are new arrows though so I cannot say how they will fair in the future....
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Old 05-29-2004, 02:33 AM
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So what's causing the groups to open up? The amount of shooting the arrows or the time since they were manufactured?
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Old 05-30-2004, 08:43 AM
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So what's causing the groups to open up? The amount of shooting the arrows or the time since they were manufactured?
Yeah, just what is da problem? [&:] I sure do respect you guys and now I am getting concerned as I am/was planning to use these on my elk hunt this Sept.
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Old 05-30-2004, 10:52 AM
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So what's causing the groups to open up? The amount of shooting the arrows or the time since they were manufactured?
Yeah, just what is da problem? [&:] I sure do respect you guys and now I am getting concerned as I am/was planning to use these on my elk hunt this Sept.
Spine dedregration (sp)

Of the 2 dozen that I brought I put the best dozen aside for hunting.
As of yet I have not had any problems with the dozen I have been shooting well with the exception of one being opened up like a banana[:@] but that was my fault you should never aim at a nock when you have a broad head on the arrow your about to shoot.

I always cut my arrows from both ends with atleast an inch from the nock end it really all depends on how the bare shafts spin. Over the years I have seen some arrows with terrible nock end wobble and if I had those shafts made up in some of the Pro Shops they would have just put the nock in and cut from one end and there is no way you can get an arrow that has a nock end wobble to tune or shoot straight.

Best thing to do with any shafts you get is to spin test them and if you have to get them made up in a Pro Shop make sure they cut from both ends it will cost you a few extra dollars but will save you a lot of headaches in the long run.
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Old 05-30-2004, 11:16 PM
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I shot mine tonight, they are the same ones that I have been shooting about 5x a week since I got them in mid april. I haven't noticed any difference in my groups since I started (hopefully I won't). When I cut mine I took the same amount off the front as off the back, I don't know if this has anything to do with it or not, but just thought I would share my experiences so far.
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Old 05-31-2004, 12:51 AM
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Guess its back to buying new aluminums and as we all know, aluminums will not hold up either.
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Old 05-31-2004, 08:49 AM
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I think I'll stick to my ACCs. I still believe thay are the best compromise between aluminum and all carbon.
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