Speed
02-18-2002, 09:51 AM
#22
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: s. china maine USA
Posts: 2
RE: Speed
how many of you guys ever had a deer "jump" the string at 20 or 25 yds? its been my exprience that at 300 fps they dont have time before the arrow is in and out (just an observation from one guy)<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
02-18-2002, 11:04 AM
#24
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: California
Posts: 600
RE: Speed
There is always a trade off to an advantage and speed is no different. There are situations where speed is a very relevent and desired commodity but it can also be a hindrance under certain shot circumstances. I could be way off base here, but I think the site is the reason why speed is becoming more and more necessary. It does make pin point accuracy at known distances more possible, but it also makes shooting at unknown distances difficult because the site overrides the minds natural ability to calculate everything for us and this is why the bows are getting faster and faster. They are trying to compensate for the yardage miscalculations of the archer.
02-20-2002, 11:54 AM
#25
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Little Egg harbor NJ
Posts: 1,279
RE: Speed
Well if you want both get a Darton Maverick express. I have never shot so well with any bow. It is a joy to shoot and very easy to shoot well with. My accuracy went way way way up when I switched from my old retired bow the Browning Mirage SL hunter. I was way slower and I just couldn't shoot it as good As I do now. Soon as I switched to this bow I was able to way outshoot the old bow by a big margin. I am also blessed that is bow is pretty fast which I like. I shoot 292 fps with 65 lb draw and 400 gr arrows. I get 280 fps with 444 gr arrows at 65 lbs too. So if you want both check the Darton Maverick out as you can eat your cake too. Just a happy Maverick owners opinion.
Brian
Brian
02-20-2002, 12:02 PM
#27
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
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Posts: 3,643
RE: Speed
bowhunter30 - I eventually migrated away from that train of thought - the need for speed. My best setups were shooting relatively heavy arrows at around 240-250 FPS. I got great flight, they were forgiving and hit hard.
What matters is accuracy. Speed over a certain barrier creates a trade-off for accuracy and thats the point archers need to find with their setups and learn I think.
What matters is accuracy. Speed over a certain barrier creates a trade-off for accuracy and thats the point archers need to find with their setups and learn I think.
02-20-2002, 12:06 PM
#28
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
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RE: Speed
Arthur - great point!
"A lot of people are missing out on that enjoyment because they're constantly wrestling with their equipment. Always trying to optimize performance, getting frustrated and forgetting that they're supposed to be having fun. It could be one reason why bowhunting's popularity is dropping off."
That's the main reason I'm going back to the old recurve and new longbow. It's just too much fun without the worries.
"A lot of people are missing out on that enjoyment because they're constantly wrestling with their equipment. Always trying to optimize performance, getting frustrated and forgetting that they're supposed to be having fun. It could be one reason why bowhunting's popularity is dropping off."
That's the main reason I'm going back to the old recurve and new longbow. It's just too much fun without the worries.
02-20-2002, 08:47 PM
#29
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Denison Texas USA
Posts: 19
RE: Speed
Bow confidence is the essential thing. If you shoot a compound and you are comfortable you can hit your target, you win! Speed is just another element. Mass times Acceleration. Juice up the acceleration and you have probably lost something in comfort and accuracy with your shot.
Ever had a deer walk in front of you and you felt relaxed enough not to have to pull on your bow with all your might?
Ever had a deer walk in front of you and you felt relaxed enough not to have to pull on your bow with all your might?
02-20-2002, 10:31 PM
#30
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Baltimore Maryland USA
Posts: 1,385
RE: Speed
ArthurP: You "need to get with the times and quit being so old fashioned." HeeHee Just couldn't resist. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
I posted a thread here about speed and was discussing how this quest for speed might just cause some personal injury. This bothers me because we may loose some archers for life because of it.
Limb design and caming innovations have made more speed readily available without suffering or sacrificing what we had years ago. What we have to do, however, is be willing to forego that amount of speed and pain which depletes accuracy. This is hard for some to do but, sooner or later, most will learn it the hard way.
Like TFox, my equipment, and I personally, can shoot WELL over 300 fps; but, I keep it around 270 for hunting and 3D. 270 is more than enough for normal hunting distances and suffices very well for any 3D course.
Yes, a slower bow may be the choice for many for many reasons; but, give me a faster bow that can be handled as well as that slower bow so that I can throw a heavier arrow at the same speed. Davidmil can attest to the devastation of a well-tuned heavy arrow out of a smooth and quiet fast bow.
I posted a thread here about speed and was discussing how this quest for speed might just cause some personal injury. This bothers me because we may loose some archers for life because of it.
Limb design and caming innovations have made more speed readily available without suffering or sacrificing what we had years ago. What we have to do, however, is be willing to forego that amount of speed and pain which depletes accuracy. This is hard for some to do but, sooner or later, most will learn it the hard way.
Like TFox, my equipment, and I personally, can shoot WELL over 300 fps; but, I keep it around 270 for hunting and 3D. 270 is more than enough for normal hunting distances and suffices very well for any 3D course.
Yes, a slower bow may be the choice for many for many reasons; but, give me a faster bow that can be handled as well as that slower bow so that I can throw a heavier arrow at the same speed. Davidmil can attest to the devastation of a well-tuned heavy arrow out of a smooth and quiet fast bow.