The more expensive the bow the better
04-01-2004, 06:12 AM
#31
Boone & Crockett
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RE: The more expensive the bow the better
I am sorry to hear about your brother as well John. You do him proud by your words and actions.
To the topic at hand....
I could not agree with you more. I have seen this attitude as well. However, I also see another attitude forming on occasion. People, as described in the above quote, are not necessarily the same as those folks who trully enjoy shooting/experimenting with new equipment/gear. More often than not I see the two lumped together because they both share the same type of gear. It is not necessarily the gear that is to blame but rather the attitude of the person behind the string.
I am not really directing my comments at anyone in particular but rather just as a general observation.
To the topic at hand....
However, with too many, the pride factor has escalated to the level of being monotonously obnoxious and nose-in-the-air, believing and espousing that high-priced gear is a necessity for bowhunting and that anything less is used by those other people.
I am not really directing my comments at anyone in particular but rather just as a general observation.
04-01-2004, 07:36 AM
#32
Giant Nontypical
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RE: The more expensive the bow the better
However, with too many, the pride factor has escalated to the level of being monotonously obnoxious and nose-in-the-air, believing and espousing that high-priced gear is a necessity for bowhunting and that anything less is used by those other people.
Even though I owned one of those a long time a go and shot with it a lot and knew it most always put the arrow where I aimed it, I just knew the guy wasn't going to get the job done. I didn't tell him that, but it sure stuck in my mind.
Well, he did. Very decent score, by the way. The guy obviously was not a newbie with a $5 yardsale bow, as I had suspected. My humility was restored. [&:]
04-01-2004, 08:35 AM
#33
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RE: The more expensive the bow the better
I love Bob Ragsdale's saying:
(by memory) A bow does nothing but determine the speed of your arrow. Everything else is up to the shooter.
I'm sure you can buy better materials with more money, but you can't buy more accuracy.
(by memory) A bow does nothing but determine the speed of your arrow. Everything else is up to the shooter.
I'm sure you can buy better materials with more money, but you can't buy more accuracy.
04-01-2004, 11:45 AM
#34
Nontypical Buck
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RE: The more expensive the bow the better
I agree with most. Put in a machine almost every bow will shoot the same arrow in almost the same hole repeatedly. Some just do it faster than others. Given the human factor things can change. Depending on the physical characteristics of each bow, some just make it easier to duplicate shot after shot. That's why most GOOD target shooters are toting around longer ATA, deflex risers, high brace, round wheels, and lower draw weights.
When it comes to the bows most of us shoot it's much the same. A lot of the bows will just shoot more accurately, easier, and more consistently. Of course a lot can be said for buying a less pricey bow and spending the difference on MUCH better accessories. And take some of what's left and get some good coaching lessons.
When it comes to the bows most of us shoot it's much the same. A lot of the bows will just shoot more accurately, easier, and more consistently. Of course a lot can be said for buying a less pricey bow and spending the difference on MUCH better accessories. And take some of what's left and get some good coaching lessons.
04-01-2004, 03:37 PM
#35
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RE: The more expensive the bow the better
Well said, BG.
I see you, or did, shoot a very good bow.
I have had some good bows in the past, but my 3 Martins have been an extremely good and comfortable shooters and extremely dependable. Nary one problem in all the years of have had them, and they have been hunted hard. They have deserved the right to hang near my faithful M1 Garand.
I see you, or did, shoot a very good bow.
I have had some good bows in the past, but my 3 Martins have been an extremely good and comfortable shooters and extremely dependable. Nary one problem in all the years of have had them, and they have been hunted hard. They have deserved the right to hang near my faithful M1 Garand.
04-01-2004, 05:29 PM
#36
Giant Nontypical
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RE: The more expensive the bow the better
I still have four earlier model compounds that have none of these problems. In fact, the early PSE "Pacer" (circa 1975) 60# w/50% letoff that is hanging downstairs is easy to shoot and is basically quiet.
The reason that many of today's bows have certain anti and preventive "this and that" features is not JUST because the innovation is some type of advanced idea just to improve handling and shooting over earlier bows; many of the so-called modern features are somewhat necessary to offset the downsides (shock, vibration, noise, etc,) that the radical designs and high-speed bows of today produce. It is a "Catch-22" situation.
The reason that many of today's bows have certain anti and preventive "this and that" features is not JUST because the innovation is some type of advanced idea just to improve handling and shooting over earlier bows; many of the so-called modern features are somewhat necessary to offset the downsides (shock, vibration, noise, etc,) that the radical designs and high-speed bows of today produce. It is a "Catch-22" situation.
A 60# bow with 50% letoff is easy to shoot and "basically" quiet...compared to what? The more modern bows have many superior features from the cam (vs two cams) to the dampening. I would personally find it a very hard argument to make that we should go back to the old manufacturing methods.
Your points are carefully couched in well-rounded terms, but they remain mostly subjective in nature. Most people are not sorry for buying quality.
Someone made the argument that the accessories make much of the difference...to which I would respond: apply the same guideline...do your homework, but buy the best you can afford. You'll only have to do it once.
04-01-2004, 08:30 PM
#38
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RE: The more expensive the bow the better
I would personally find it a very hard argument to make that we should go back to the old manufacturing methods.
The newer innovations dramatically reduce vibration and recoil over many, many of the older bows and that has been proven by a variety of methods from what I've read...and especially from what I've experienced.
Maybe I have always been just lucky or know how to pick a bow. I have never had a problem with all the vibration, shock, auto-torque, that apparently I was supposed to have and now requires today's bows to have all these buffer aids to make today's bows far superior to earlier bows.
