The Facts
12-20-2003, 03:08 PM
#12
Boone & Crockett
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12-20-2003, 03:18 PM
#13
Fork Horn
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RE: The Facts
Ask if they believe what is written in the most widely published book in the world; the Bible. As if they believe what God tells us. Ask if they are a Christian.
It takes you all the way to the 26 verse of the Bible to find out that God gave man "dominion" over the animals. Dominion means sovereign power, as in "we can do anything we want to" but it also implies the responsibility to manage properly. It is one of the most powerful arguments you can use.
The Bible in facts list most of the antlered and horned animals of the Middle East as being edible, and it talks about hunting.
If you want particulars let me know and I'll put something together. Meanwhile I hope to see you on the "T.R.'s Tips" board here at Hunting.Net.
May God bless you and yours during this HOLY day season, and good hunting,
T.R.
It takes you all the way to the 26 verse of the Bible to find out that God gave man "dominion" over the animals. Dominion means sovereign power, as in "we can do anything we want to" but it also implies the responsibility to manage properly. It is one of the most powerful arguments you can use.
The Bible in facts list most of the antlered and horned animals of the Middle East as being edible, and it talks about hunting.
If you want particulars let me know and I'll put something together. Meanwhile I hope to see you on the "T.R.'s Tips" board here at Hunting.Net.
May God bless you and yours during this HOLY day season, and good hunting,
T.R.
12-21-2003, 09:45 AM
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RE: The Facts
I'm not just talking about snappy comebacks and one-liners. We need the guys who have done all the reading and studying to chime in and give us the science behind hunting. I'm talking about population control, carrying capacity, doe-to-buck ratios, number of animals killed by vehicles, $ amounts the farmers are losing to deer overbrowsing. Those are the facts we need to have in our arsenal to persuade and combat the fence-sitters and the wackos.
12-21-2003, 10:28 AM
#15
Fork Horn
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RE: The Facts
Many of those things are going to vary by state. So you can't make generalizations on some of them, But, you should be able to get a lot of that information easily, by contacting your state deer biologist or researcher. They are the ones who should have all the numbers, answers and explanations.
If you really want to understand all of this read the book Ecology and Management of White-tailed Deer, published by Stackpole. Once you have a thorough understanding of deer biology, physiology, behavior and different management techniques you can apply what you have learned to how deer are managed in your state. Then you can present the facts to the anti's.
The problem is many anti's don't care about or understand deer management. Many of them base their anti-hunting sentiments on "thou shalt not kill" the "suffering aspect" and the Bambi syndrome, also known as "they're so cute." Most of them refuse to listen to science and logic, so it seldom works.
The best thing for hunters to do is get off their butts, band together, lobby, vote, and contact their legislators like the anti's do. It is often difficult to educate or change an anti's mind, one thing you can do is FIGHT them at the polls and in the courts. This is unfortunate, but true.
So the question is, how many people here belong to a pro-hunting organization, and support it with money, volunteer work, and have actually called or written their legislators? I'm not looking for a poll here, this is just a gut check.
T.R.
If you really want to understand all of this read the book Ecology and Management of White-tailed Deer, published by Stackpole. Once you have a thorough understanding of deer biology, physiology, behavior and different management techniques you can apply what you have learned to how deer are managed in your state. Then you can present the facts to the anti's.
The problem is many anti's don't care about or understand deer management. Many of them base their anti-hunting sentiments on "thou shalt not kill" the "suffering aspect" and the Bambi syndrome, also known as "they're so cute." Most of them refuse to listen to science and logic, so it seldom works.
The best thing for hunters to do is get off their butts, band together, lobby, vote, and contact their legislators like the anti's do. It is often difficult to educate or change an anti's mind, one thing you can do is FIGHT them at the polls and in the courts. This is unfortunate, but true.
So the question is, how many people here belong to a pro-hunting organization, and support it with money, volunteer work, and have actually called or written their legislators? I'm not looking for a poll here, this is just a gut check.
T.R.
12-23-2003, 09:13 AM
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RE: The Facts
The ANTI's don't have a leg to stand on. The problem is that they don't have any common sense. Around the 1900's it was the conservative sportsman that lobbied to have the deer seasons closed since the population was estimated to be below 500,000. It was the conservative sportsman that implemented a tax on themselves to help the critters. It was called the Pittman and Robinson Act. Not sure the year that happened but it was a long time ago. We as sportsman have learnned from our elders and our own trial and error. We need to educate and get our youngsters involved. I think archery should be a class taught in grade school all the way through university.
12-23-2003, 09:26 AM
#20
Fork Horn
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RE: The Facts
I just gave a speech about 2 weeks ago on hunting. Here's a few of the key points and facts I pulled out of my outline.
Introduction
I. Violent, unnecessary, slaughtered, maimed, decimating, suffering, outraged, and destructive and all words used in the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animal's (PETA's) Hunting fact sheet found at (Peta.org)
II. It's pretty clear that powerful and descriptive words like these are used in order to trigger a person's emotional responses naturally associated with that word, not provoke rational thinking. In fact, the same website promotes animal rights activists to "spread deer repellent or human hair (from barber shops) near hunting areas" in order to deter hunting. While in many states, including Illinois, that is a violation of Hunter Interference Prohibition Acts, thus making it illegal.
III. Contrary to many people's beliefs, hunting is not a violent, destructive, or unnecessary sport. Hunting has been a part of our heritage for hundreds of years and it plays many vital roles in our society today, despite the abundance of negative press it receives from animal rights groups.
IV. Tonight I will educate you on the roles hunting plays not just through it's environmental impacts, but through the impact upon the people who enjoy an activity as old as the country we live in.
a. 23, 645 deer hit by cars in IL in 2001 (il.dnr)
b. 45, 000 deer hit by cars in WI in 2002 (wis.dnr)
Crop/Environmental Damage
a.According to the article Controlling Deer Damage found at Missouri.edu, " Hunting programs are among the most effective damage control techniques" (aces.edu)
D. Giving back to the community/environment.
1. Proceeds from sales go to help environmental programs
a. A portion of all sales of hunting licenses and equipment goes to sponsor government programs to conserve, protect, and restore wildlife habitat.
b. In 2001, people spent 1.9 billion dollars on wildlife recreational activities. Expenses included gear, food, lodging, and licenses. (census.gov)
c. Each year, nearly $200 million in hunters' federal excise taxes are distributed to State agencies to support wildlife management programs, the purchase of lands open to hunters, and hunter education and safety classes. (fws.gov)
2. Farmers and Hunters Feeding the Hungry
a. 11.2 million meals donated since 1997 (fhfh.org)
I have more but they're at home in a text document I was using for notes. Those are just the ones I used in my speech.
Introduction
I. Violent, unnecessary, slaughtered, maimed, decimating, suffering, outraged, and destructive and all words used in the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animal's (PETA's) Hunting fact sheet found at (Peta.org)
II. It's pretty clear that powerful and descriptive words like these are used in order to trigger a person's emotional responses naturally associated with that word, not provoke rational thinking. In fact, the same website promotes animal rights activists to "spread deer repellent or human hair (from barber shops) near hunting areas" in order to deter hunting. While in many states, including Illinois, that is a violation of Hunter Interference Prohibition Acts, thus making it illegal.
III. Contrary to many people's beliefs, hunting is not a violent, destructive, or unnecessary sport. Hunting has been a part of our heritage for hundreds of years and it plays many vital roles in our society today, despite the abundance of negative press it receives from animal rights groups.
IV. Tonight I will educate you on the roles hunting plays not just through it's environmental impacts, but through the impact upon the people who enjoy an activity as old as the country we live in.
a. 23, 645 deer hit by cars in IL in 2001 (il.dnr)
b. 45, 000 deer hit by cars in WI in 2002 (wis.dnr)
Crop/Environmental Damage
a.According to the article Controlling Deer Damage found at Missouri.edu, " Hunting programs are among the most effective damage control techniques" (aces.edu)
D. Giving back to the community/environment.
1. Proceeds from sales go to help environmental programs
a. A portion of all sales of hunting licenses and equipment goes to sponsor government programs to conserve, protect, and restore wildlife habitat.
b. In 2001, people spent 1.9 billion dollars on wildlife recreational activities. Expenses included gear, food, lodging, and licenses. (census.gov)
c. Each year, nearly $200 million in hunters' federal excise taxes are distributed to State agencies to support wildlife management programs, the purchase of lands open to hunters, and hunter education and safety classes. (fws.gov)
2. Farmers and Hunters Feeding the Hungry
a. 11.2 million meals donated since 1997 (fhfh.org)
I have more but they're at home in a text document I was using for notes. Those are just the ones I used in my speech.