What are pods?
01-04-2002, 04:56 PM
#1
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: union mo USA
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What are pods?
I guess I'm a little dumber than I thought. Heard some guys in the bow shop the other day talking about " They ought to put pods on there arrows if they we're going to pay that much for a hunt" That's all I caught of the conversation but it really stuck with me.
I think I know what the're talking about but wanta be sure, doesn't sound like anything I want any part of. Thanks.
I think I know what the're talking about but wanta be sure, doesn't sound like anything I want any part of. Thanks.
01-04-2002, 05:23 PM
#2
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Pittsburgh PA USA
Posts: 186
RE: What are pods?
Hmmmm... now where did I put that can opener?
Heck... never mind... I see that you already took it off.
-DT
Pod = poison tipped arrows that some [Benneke-what was his name?] are desperately trying to shove down our throats by associating their [his] idea with legends such as Fred Bear, etc.
"Hokus pokus... give me a POD... I am a successful bowhunter."
I am sure the guys at the pro shop were being sarcastic... unless they are total mogumbo's... but hey... that's just my take on it... so don't quote me on that... maybe they really are mentally challenged and need the extra help.<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>
-DT
Edited by - PA DropTine on 01/04/2002 17:24:29
Heck... never mind... I see that you already took it off.
-DT
Pod = poison tipped arrows that some [Benneke-what was his name?] are desperately trying to shove down our throats by associating their [his] idea with legends such as Fred Bear, etc.
"Hokus pokus... give me a POD... I am a successful bowhunter."
I am sure the guys at the pro shop were being sarcastic... unless they are total mogumbo's... but hey... that's just my take on it... so don't quote me on that... maybe they really are mentally challenged and need the extra help.<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>
-DT
Edited by - PA DropTine on 01/04/2002 17:24:29
01-04-2002, 06:11 PM
#3
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
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RE: What are pods?
I finally saw a pod (empty, of course) a couple weeks ago in a dealer's curio cabinet. They're illegal in most states. Even if your state allows them, the drug the pod uses is illegal.
The guy that founded the company, Adrian Benke, got positively furious when the states started making them illegal. He churned out reams and reams of misinformation about wound/loss ratios in bowhunting, trying to claim that arrows are ineffective on game without his Pod so he could get 'em legalized (and make some money). Of course, the anti's are using his propaganda against bowhunting now.
Benke died not too long ago, but he did plenty of damage to bowhunting before he left.
The guy that founded the company, Adrian Benke, got positively furious when the states started making them illegal. He churned out reams and reams of misinformation about wound/loss ratios in bowhunting, trying to claim that arrows are ineffective on game without his Pod so he could get 'em legalized (and make some money). Of course, the anti's are using his propaganda against bowhunting now.
Benke died not too long ago, but he did plenty of damage to bowhunting before he left.
01-04-2002, 10:28 PM
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RE: What are pods?
I knew that Papa Bear was a closet fan of the pod, bwrong. In fact, I think I've seen that letter before. But it WAS written in 1964 after all. Hunting ethics were different with absurdly long shots being acceptable (though not the norm) and they were guessing at how many deer were lost per deer taken in lieu of hard data.
I've got the greatest respect for Fred Bear and what he did for archery and bowhunting. In fact, the man was my idol when I was a kid. But the man took some of the most ill advised shots you can imagine. So did Howard Hill and Ben Pearson. So did Will and Maurice Thompson. But, thankfully, they documented those shots in writing and on film, so we can look back on their mistakes. And we've learned from them.
We've got much better equipment nowadays. Most folks don't fling at any patch of brown they can get a shot at. Shots are within 20-30 yards for the most part. We know that many deer hit by arrows and not taken heal up and go about their normal lives. There has been solid research done that proves the wound/loss ratio, though higher than anyone wants to see, is not as dreadful as Benke claimed, or Bear feared.
When you look at all the people nowadays that refuse to practice with their bows and just show up for opening day (even knowing they have to hit an area the size of a small soccerball!), it makes you wonder how many more people would be like that if all they had to do was get a solid hit anywhere on the animal and get the SCC into the blood stream.
In a way, I wouldn't mind the pod. It would certainly make tracking easier because the trail would be shorter. It would keep a bleeding deer from running into someone's yard and dying in some of the suburban areas, and offending some folks' sensibilities as a consequence. It would take the pain and suffering argument away from the anti's, as Fred noted in that letter. But, on the whole, I think it would do us more harm than good.
I've got the greatest respect for Fred Bear and what he did for archery and bowhunting. In fact, the man was my idol when I was a kid. But the man took some of the most ill advised shots you can imagine. So did Howard Hill and Ben Pearson. So did Will and Maurice Thompson. But, thankfully, they documented those shots in writing and on film, so we can look back on their mistakes. And we've learned from them.
We've got much better equipment nowadays. Most folks don't fling at any patch of brown they can get a shot at. Shots are within 20-30 yards for the most part. We know that many deer hit by arrows and not taken heal up and go about their normal lives. There has been solid research done that proves the wound/loss ratio, though higher than anyone wants to see, is not as dreadful as Benke claimed, or Bear feared.
When you look at all the people nowadays that refuse to practice with their bows and just show up for opening day (even knowing they have to hit an area the size of a small soccerball!), it makes you wonder how many more people would be like that if all they had to do was get a solid hit anywhere on the animal and get the SCC into the blood stream.
In a way, I wouldn't mind the pod. It would certainly make tracking easier because the trail would be shorter. It would keep a bleeding deer from running into someone's yard and dying in some of the suburban areas, and offending some folks' sensibilities as a consequence. It would take the pain and suffering argument away from the anti's, as Fred noted in that letter. But, on the whole, I think it would do us more harm than good.
01-04-2002, 10:48 PM
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Location: Pittsburgh PA USA
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RE: What are pods?
bwrong
Cool letter. When reading... one can almost hear the words coming from Bears mouth. I never had the chance to meet him... but he must have been one heck of man. Imagine the stories that guy was capable of telling around a campfire...
Not disputing this letter at all. However, as told to me be Frank Scott [Bear's life-long friend/hunting partner] the letter could be very misleading and useful to anyone using it out of context [so to speak] without seeing the entire picture from Fred Bears viewpoint.
Before Bears' death... he was adamantly against the use of the POD.
According to F. Scott, "Bottom line... people are human and they make mistakes. Fred Bear openly admitted to many that he hastily formed an opinion about the POD but soon thereafter discovered his initial impressions to be incorrect. Before his death, Bear changed his beliefs 180 degrees on issues surrounding the POD."
That conversation took place two [maybe 3?] years ago while on route to teach a bowhunting seminar for the Florida B.O.W. program. If Katina were still around she could testify to the same because she was present at the meeting. In fact, she was the one who introduced me to Frank Scott.
-DT
Not trying to start a war... I'm too tired for that...
ArthurP... Fred Bear is STILL [and will always be] my idol. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
Edited by - PA DropTine on 01/05/2002 10:29:37
Cool letter. When reading... one can almost hear the words coming from Bears mouth. I never had the chance to meet him... but he must have been one heck of man. Imagine the stories that guy was capable of telling around a campfire...
Not disputing this letter at all. However, as told to me be Frank Scott [Bear's life-long friend/hunting partner] the letter could be very misleading and useful to anyone using it out of context [so to speak] without seeing the entire picture from Fred Bears viewpoint.
Before Bears' death... he was adamantly against the use of the POD.
According to F. Scott, "Bottom line... people are human and they make mistakes. Fred Bear openly admitted to many that he hastily formed an opinion about the POD but soon thereafter discovered his initial impressions to be incorrect. Before his death, Bear changed his beliefs 180 degrees on issues surrounding the POD."
That conversation took place two [maybe 3?] years ago while on route to teach a bowhunting seminar for the Florida B.O.W. program. If Katina were still around she could testify to the same because she was present at the meeting. In fact, she was the one who introduced me to Frank Scott.
-DT
Not trying to start a war... I'm too tired for that...
ArthurP... Fred Bear is STILL [and will always be] my idol. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
Edited by - PA DropTine on 01/05/2002 10:29:37
01-05-2002, 11:11 AM
#9
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Location: Blossvale, New York
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RE: What are pods?
Adrian had one purpose... and it wasn't to help archery. He was in it to push the "POD" and line his pockets. He gambled money, soul and the archery community in his quest to get the POD accepted. I tell you nothing I didn't argue with him about over the internet when he was alive. He used outdated fact, figures and testimonials to push his cause. Even if Fred Bear never had dropped his support of the POD it doesn't mean it was right. He's about as close to a GOD as the archery community has... but he's human too. If I don't like it I don't like it and shouldn't be swayed by Hollywood stars or celebrities. People gave Fred their two cents worth at the time and he backed off. Smart man I'd say.... or was he worried about his pocket linings also. Either way.... the Benneke testimonials are old history. We used to line up shoulder to shoulder and walk into combat across open fields too. Just because it may have been right for Cornwallis at one time doesn't mean it's right for Patton.
