Is this buck big enough for ya ?? (picture)
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RE: Is this buck big enough for ya ?? (picture)
Good Luck to you Zelazny, I know it wont be easy.
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atlasman - I spent a week in Steuben County NY a few year back - huge deer in those areas.
The beautiful thing here ? I don' t have to explain anything to you. Many states, if not all, have draw systems for special hunts. If you aren' t aware of them better for me I guess. If you don' t understand it, do some google searches.
The beautiful thing here ? I don' t have to explain anything to you. Many states, if not all, have draw systems for special hunts. If you aren' t aware of them better for me I guess. If you don' t understand it, do some google searches.
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RE: Is this buck big enough for ya ?? (picture)
Steuben County NY
How did we get into a discussion that reads like me having something against big bucks?? COuld someone show me where I have said I don' t like big deer or wouldn' t shoot one.......or think people who do are silly??
I can' t get to Steuben County. It' s too far. I have to hunt where I can drive to and back from in the same day without getting rediculous.
If you can go all over the country in pursuit of a large rack then have fun. I can' t and even if I could it just isn' t that high on my list of important things I have to do.
You still haven' t answered ANY questions about this place or how it is run. Which you could do easily without giving it away. Now the subject has changed so many times I bet most don' t even know where or why it started.............over me saying killing a big buck in a place crowded with big bucks is not as satisfying as killing one where no one sees deer like that on a daily basis. Money and luck of the draw are your major obstacles in killing one of those big bucks.
You didn' t answer my question about if you would rather have a 200" buck off a farm then a 150" buck you could kill at your spot??
Say a guy walks into the bunny ranch in Nevada. He plops his money down and gets in the door and scores with the hottest chick he' s ever seen. Should he go home and feel like Brad Pitt and tell everyone he scored with a sweet babe or should he realize that EVERY chick there was hot and his money is what got him the fun he had?? It sure was fun...........but as far as accomplishments go it didn' t really have much to do with him personally.......did it?? or could any guy with the same amount of money have done the same thing??
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You still haven' t answered ANY questions about this place or how it is run.
Money and luck of the draw are your major obstacles in killing one of those big bucks.
You didn' t answer my question about if you would rather have a 200" buck off a farm then a 150" buck you could kill at your spot??
Again, just because you are not familiar with these places - honey holes that are out of the way and not well known, does not mean they don' t exist. Like my examples of McAllister OK military base, special KY elk draws, city limit archery onl whitetail draws, Edmonton tags ... theres a long list. Did you know that in the White Sands missle rangd in NM you can draw for an Oryx (gemsbok) tag ? Its $1500 (or was last time I tried drawing) but where else can you hunt free roaming oryx in the US ? Many people do not know that tag exists, doesn' t mean it isn' t there though.
Your babe analysis is again, irrelevant. I didn' t pay to hunt this place, its not a ranch hunt nor is it fenced or anything like that. Its just a big piece of land that was set aside as public and a management plan was attached to provide resident archery hunters with a chance at a 150" -230" or better whitetail for a small tag fee - a hunt like Bill Jerdun goes on in the Milk River areas and in Texas - but without the fences and all that.
#75
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This isn' t a farm, or a ranch, or anything like that, so the question was irrelevant really.
So if you would take a 200" on a farm over a 150" at your place you are strictly concerned with rack score.........and let' s be honest here, the only difference between your place and a farm is no fence right?? Both have deer grown specifically for racks as trophies with planned nutrition and mananged hunts.......only yours can get away if they run far enough...........to where there are no food plots and lots of hunters
Did you know that in the White Sands missle rangd in NM you can draw for an Oryx (gemsbok) tag ? Its $1500 (or was last time I tried drawing) but where else can you hunt free roaming oryx in the US ? Many people do not know that tag exists, doesn' t mean it isn' t there though.
I didn' t pay to hunt this place
for a small tag fee
A lot of our lack of communication has come from our different understandings of what tags are versus licenses I think. Where I live you buy a license and depending on which one you get there are tags on it for a certain number of deer. You can also get 2 doe permits for designated areas if you wish. With this license any person can hunt anywhere that is public and you can fill every tag you have for that season then you are done.
If I have cracked your secret code...........I think you are saying that hunters don' t have a " license" so to speak where you are but the " tag" serves as a license to hunt. I' m sure you would need a license to get a tag but a license alone does not give you free roaming rights to every part of the state.
If I am wrong please correct me...........I wish you had explained it better early on as this whole blab fest could have been ten times shorter.
BTW the babe analogy is right on.........he just went in and bagged a different kind of trophy that' s all One he could have desired and searched for his whole life and never even come close..........until he found a place where getting access is the hardest part. No pun intended
Dude, have fun......kill 10 of them if it makes you happy. If your happy, then I' m happy for ya. I just stated my opinion that I think killing a huge deer in a place where huge deer are common is well...........common, and therefore takes some of the WOW factor out of it. It' s just my opinion.......I' m not trying to force it on you or anyone. Just saying what I think that' s all.
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It reveals what you value more, a big rack or the satisfaction of knowing you worked your butt off for your trophy.
.........and let' s be honest here, the only difference between your place and a farm is no fence right??
My point on the Oryx is most people don' t even know that hunt is available to them. I didn' t know this hunt was to me until 2 years ago. Some of THE best hunting is not well known IMO.
I like my hunt. I like my yearly elk hunt, I like my whitetail hunts in KS. Its do it myself on a budget, no guides or anything like that. I do have to pay one guy a bottle of Old Charter to hunt his place though.
You buy a license in my state, and special tags are drawn seperately for special hunts.
I know if I have the chance at a 150" buck and get him, there' ll be nothing less about him that had he been a 100" buck just because he had the chance to grwo older and smarter. The hunt will not have changed that much, only the headgear that the bucks wear. IMportant ? Hell yeah it is. Is it why I hunt ? No.
BTW, I shoot a longbow
#77
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According to AKA Eastwood his 2 buddies just took a couple bucks that are at or just below 200" ...........still think it won' t be easy?? 2 guys go out bag a couple 200" bucks...........I mean, which one of us HASN' T told that story
#78
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Atlasman, a little misunderstanding on your part, I think. I was in no way trying to bash meat hunters. EVERY person I hunt with is a meat hunter, family and friends alike; and even myself has been know to fill up all my doe tags. And I was not trying to bash rednecks or city hunters, just stating that both crowds have their meat hunters, as well as trophy hunters.
The point I was trying to get across(should' ve just summed it up for you in the first place) is that this state has bucks just like the ones in Zelazny showed us in his pictures. It just you meat hunters have no idea they exist because YOU never see them. There are many things a trophy hunter must do to get that trophy, shootin the first thing that walks isn' t one of them. So I find it very frustrating that you think Zelazny shouln' t " get excitement" from his 150-200" buck(if he even gets one), because he' s " picking it out of a crowd" of monsters. You have that same crowd of monsters around you, you just dont want to go lookiin for it, which I have no problem with at all.
And I can guarantee you if you do your research on special draw permits in NY, you' ll find more than one area that that applies to. I know its not in your blue hunting regulations book you picked up from the town clerk' s when you bought your liscense, but there out there, several being in bow only areas(hint!, hint!).
I hate bickering, esecially on such an excellent forum, but I cant keep my mouth shut when I feel you are so extremely wrong and you just dont know. But you are keeping several of us entertained, so it will be interesting to hear whats next.
The point I was trying to get across(should' ve just summed it up for you in the first place) is that this state has bucks just like the ones in Zelazny showed us in his pictures. It just you meat hunters have no idea they exist because YOU never see them. There are many things a trophy hunter must do to get that trophy, shootin the first thing that walks isn' t one of them. So I find it very frustrating that you think Zelazny shouln' t " get excitement" from his 150-200" buck(if he even gets one), because he' s " picking it out of a crowd" of monsters. You have that same crowd of monsters around you, you just dont want to go lookiin for it, which I have no problem with at all.
And I can guarantee you if you do your research on special draw permits in NY, you' ll find more than one area that that applies to. I know its not in your blue hunting regulations book you picked up from the town clerk' s when you bought your liscense, but there out there, several being in bow only areas(hint!, hint!).
I hate bickering, esecially on such an excellent forum, but I cant keep my mouth shut when I feel you are so extremely wrong and you just dont know. But you are keeping several of us entertained, so it will be interesting to hear whats next.
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I really don' t know what all was written throughout this post b/c I got tired of all the bickering about half way through, but I have to comment about Mcalister Oklahoma. That could compare with some of the best deer hunting in the World. It is long or recurve only drawn in hunts that is just unbelieveable. If you said those pics came from there, I would believe it. I think that OKlahoma along with Kentucky is one of the most underlooked places for big whitetails. Here is a pic from my place that I am hunting right now, I have other P & Y deer but this is the biggest. Good Luck to everyone!!
#80
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Atlasman, a little misunderstanding on your part, I think. I was in no way trying to bash meat hunters.
I' m just thankful you didn' t go off on a rant about blacks, gays or arabs
So I find it very frustrating that you think Zelazny shouln' t " get excitement" from his 150-200" buck(if he even gets one), because he' s " picking it out of a crowd" of monsters.