Unbreakable shafts and " bone-busting" broadheads
08-02-2003, 11:16 AM
#21
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Unbreakable shafts and " bone-busting" broadheads
[quote]Once I make a shot on a deer, I never use the shaft or the broadhead again, regardless that either appears to be intact.
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So then, regardless of what they are shot into why is there any reason to test more than ONE broadhead more than ONE time more than ONE shot?
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However, ONE shot into steel drums, plywood, and reinforced rubber proves nothing beyond how that particular head happened to perform at that moment… ONE time.
So then, regardless of what they are shot into why is there any reason to test more than ONE broadhead more than ONE time more than ONE shot?
08-03-2003, 06:24 AM
#23
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Unbreakable shafts and " bone-busting" broadheads
c903, I feel for you, hey if you were to see my setup, you would know that it is a true " back yard operation!" In fact I can see the range from my kitchen window!
08-03-2003, 07:56 AM
#24
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RE: Unbreakable shafts and " bone-busting" broadheads
c903,
I respect you opinions, and they do make alot of sense. A test broadhead shot through a steel drum, plywood, tire, ect.... will not tell you exactly what it will do in a deer, but, something has to be said about it telling you the durability and strength of the head. If I were shooting a bow putting out 37 foot pounds of KE, and I shot broadhead " X" into a piece of plywood, and broadhead " X" snapped into several pieces, would it be safe to say that it isn' t the best head for hunting?
I think alot of people take 5shots tests in a way that " this is what this broadhead is going to do when shot into a deer" . I for one realize that this is a test to see one thing, how broadheads compare to each other.
Also, if there was absolutely no testing, what information (and from who) would we be able to get about a broadhead. We would have to listen to magazines (which in my opinion is unbiased as I feel, whoever puts the most money into advertising through the magazine is the best). Maybe we would have to listen to the broadhead manufacturers, and then, every broadhead would be the best.
As far as other methods of testing, shoe me one that is consistent. You said that hunters do the best tests each fall while out hunting, but, in order for the test to be accurate, everything must consistent.
Lets say a guy is hunting with a bow producing 85 foot pounds of KE, it is shooting heavy aluminum arrows at about 295 f.p.s., his bow is perfectly tuned, and all stops have been pulled to make this the best performer. Lets say he shoots broadhead " X" into a deer, standing broadside, at 10 yards, with no wind blowing, and drill is right through the deers heart.
Now, a different guy is out shooting a bow producing 40 foot pounds of KE, and he is also using broadhead " X" , he isn' t perfectly dialed in as far as tuning goes, but he is close. He isn' t shoot as fast or as heavy of arrows as the other guy. A bigger bodied buck than the other guy comes in to 27 yards. There is a slight 6 mph wind, and he shoots, but doesn' t get a complete passthrough.
Now, you are going to have two different guys giving two different opinons, with no median.
We need someone to be that median, that has a average hunting set-up, and is unbiased, to tell us what has happened to him.
And finally, you gotta remember, every hunter is shooting " the best broadhead" [
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I respect you opinions, and they do make alot of sense. A test broadhead shot through a steel drum, plywood, tire, ect.... will not tell you exactly what it will do in a deer, but, something has to be said about it telling you the durability and strength of the head. If I were shooting a bow putting out 37 foot pounds of KE, and I shot broadhead " X" into a piece of plywood, and broadhead " X" snapped into several pieces, would it be safe to say that it isn' t the best head for hunting?
I think alot of people take 5shots tests in a way that " this is what this broadhead is going to do when shot into a deer" . I for one realize that this is a test to see one thing, how broadheads compare to each other.
Also, if there was absolutely no testing, what information (and from who) would we be able to get about a broadhead. We would have to listen to magazines (which in my opinion is unbiased as I feel, whoever puts the most money into advertising through the magazine is the best). Maybe we would have to listen to the broadhead manufacturers, and then, every broadhead would be the best.
As far as other methods of testing, shoe me one that is consistent. You said that hunters do the best tests each fall while out hunting, but, in order for the test to be accurate, everything must consistent.
Lets say a guy is hunting with a bow producing 85 foot pounds of KE, it is shooting heavy aluminum arrows at about 295 f.p.s., his bow is perfectly tuned, and all stops have been pulled to make this the best performer. Lets say he shoots broadhead " X" into a deer, standing broadside, at 10 yards, with no wind blowing, and drill is right through the deers heart.
Now, a different guy is out shooting a bow producing 40 foot pounds of KE, and he is also using broadhead " X" , he isn' t perfectly dialed in as far as tuning goes, but he is close. He isn' t shoot as fast or as heavy of arrows as the other guy. A bigger bodied buck than the other guy comes in to 27 yards. There is a slight 6 mph wind, and he shoots, but doesn' t get a complete passthrough.
Now, you are going to have two different guys giving two different opinons, with no median.
We need someone to be that median, that has a average hunting set-up, and is unbiased, to tell us what has happened to him.
And finally, you gotta remember, every hunter is shooting " the best broadhead" [
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08-03-2003, 08:45 AM
#25
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RE: Unbreakable shafts and " bone-busting" broadheads
If you cant shoot good enough to put an arrow thru the sort tissue of a deer, your better off with a gun......
.........another perfect bow hunter that ALWAYS makes the perfect shot[:-] , I cant say HOW impressed I am[X(], and how many deer have you shot that you ALWAYS get your deer
? (thats what I thought).....Give ME a BREAK.
08-03-2003, 09:31 AM
#26
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RE: Unbreakable shafts and " bone-busting" broadheads
Just read in my Petersons Bowhutning-Oct. 2003- that the guy who owns Rocket Aeroheads tested his B/H' s on road killed deer hauled in by the DNR to their burnsite. He said they would string them up into trees so he could shoot them before they burned them.
There' s some test media for ya!!
There' s some test media for ya!!
08-03-2003, 11:03 AM
#27
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RE: Unbreakable shafts and " bone-busting" broadheads
don
I do believe that DFA was referring to being able to hit " soft tissue" rather than " bone." I do not read where he/she said that he/she always made a killing shot or always recovered his or her deer.
However, regardless of your experience, there are bowhunters who wait for the " perfect" shot and have never lost a deer.
I do believe that DFA was referring to being able to hit " soft tissue" rather than " bone." I do not read where he/she said that he/she always made a killing shot or always recovered his or her deer.
However, regardless of your experience, there are bowhunters who wait for the " perfect" shot and have never lost a deer.
08-03-2003, 11:13 AM
#28
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RE: Unbreakable shafts and " bone-busting" broadheads
Buck
All opinions and information based on personal experience are " food for thought," and contributes to a " buffet" of information rather than just a same meal for all " box lunch."
Beyond a " just for the hell of it" demonstration, I just cannot accept that a generic and unverified test that greatly supersedes the actual design and intended performance of any broadhead, to be a valid test to base opinion and choice on. In that a broadhead is meant to penetrate a medium that is worlds apart from plywood, steel, and hard rubber , the validity of the results can never be more than uncertain.
If the quality and performance of a broadhead were universally determined by shooting plywood, steel drums, and rubber vehicle tires, then all broadhead manufacturers would use the " test," and be disclosing and touting the results in their advertisements. The majority does not! If bowhunters were to demand that a broadhead be designed and constructed of materials that adequately pass such tests, broadheads would quickly become cost-prohibitive.
All opinions and information based on personal experience are " food for thought," and contributes to a " buffet" of information rather than just a same meal for all " box lunch."
Beyond a " just for the hell of it" demonstration, I just cannot accept that a generic and unverified test that greatly supersedes the actual design and intended performance of any broadhead, to be a valid test to base opinion and choice on. In that a broadhead is meant to penetrate a medium that is worlds apart from plywood, steel, and hard rubber , the validity of the results can never be more than uncertain.
If the quality and performance of a broadhead were universally determined by shooting plywood, steel drums, and rubber vehicle tires, then all broadhead manufacturers would use the " test," and be disclosing and touting the results in their advertisements. The majority does not! If bowhunters were to demand that a broadhead be designed and constructed of materials that adequately pass such tests, broadheads would quickly become cost-prohibitive.
08-03-2003, 11:30 AM
#29
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RE: Unbreakable shafts and " bone-busting" broadheads
I can tell you one thing, If a broadhead breaks or looses blades going through a steel drum then I don`t want that model in my quiver. As far as the large money spent engineering and designing broadheads I can tell you that some manufactures have some really bad engineers
. I`ve seen broadheads that had blades break on a Ethafoam target. And I can attest to the fact that any broadhead that passes 5 shots test will be a good head. Maybe some heads that don`t do as well as others might be good heads but shouldn`t the push be for the strongest, straightest, most accurate head possible? If 5 shot was being payed for his efforts than maybe laboratory results and testing procedures would be called for, but then again those are the tests the engineers that designed the broadheads in the first place used. If strict testing was used in the design of broadheads we wouldn`t have to worry because a bad broadhead would never be made. In the day of controling costs and the need to make a profit sometimes products are made more to catch the consumer than to serve the intended purpose of the product.
. I`ve seen broadheads that had blades break on a Ethafoam target. And I can attest to the fact that any broadhead that passes 5 shots test will be a good head. Maybe some heads that don`t do as well as others might be good heads but shouldn`t the push be for the strongest, straightest, most accurate head possible? If 5 shot was being payed for his efforts than maybe laboratory results and testing procedures would be called for, but then again those are the tests the engineers that designed the broadheads in the first place used. If strict testing was used in the design of broadheads we wouldn`t have to worry because a bad broadhead would never be made. In the day of controling costs and the need to make a profit sometimes products are made more to catch the consumer than to serve the intended purpose of the product.
08-03-2003, 03:08 PM
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RE: Unbreakable shafts and " bone-busting" broadheads
c903 , by saying what he said, it sure sounds like HE always hits his spot,(why dont you let him explain what he meant, call me curious[X(]) and recovers every animal and thats great, but refering back to another post, I sure feel sorry for you guys that ALWAYS find your deer, especially the way some have commented about those that this has happened to. The day the unthinkable happens and your sitting there with your thumb up your arse and asking your self " which way did he go, which way did he go" . I hope this never happens to any of you, it SUCKS. But I have had this happen, waiting for the perfect shot, But instead of bull****ting everyone, I try to learn from it so it doesnt happen again. Don' t mean any disrespect to anyone (I thought I would mention that now)
. Don' t mean any disrespect to anyone (I thought I would mention that now)