Shot selection results - interesting
01-26-2002, 07:51 AM
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Shot selection results - interesting
4 pictures of deer, last day of season, 20 feet up in a tree, would ya'll shoot ?
All responses were compound shooter, with the exception of 3 tradional shooters and one crossbow hunter.
Nobody would pass on #2 - quartering away shot - perfect.
#1 - there were 13 people who would take this shot. I passed this very shot on a big buck (10 pointer, est 150 P&Y) 2 years ago. Why ? Because its not a good shot. Its not a terrible shot, but not good because of the shoulder bone in the way. A LOT of deer are lost with this shot, few people under the pressure could make it. I could have made it, I KNOW I could have, and passed, and I think everyone should. All the responses were compound shooters who would take the shot and the crossbow.
#3 - all but 6 would pass this shot - all 6 compound shooters. Not a good shot, too many ifs. 3 inches one way and you shoot hama dn ass, 3 inches the other and you shoot through the front of the shoulder and into no vitals.
#4 - 3 people, compound shooters, would take this shot. Again, a VERY poor shot IMO, and most everyone else agreed.
I wish more trad shooters would have responded. I bet 99.9 % of them would have answere Y to only shot #2. I also wish more crossbow shooters would have responded to see what shots would have been taken.
I wil add this. The last day of season should have had nothing to do with it. Also, with my compound, the first couple of years I hunted, I would have taken shot #1, and would have had a pretty good chance of losing that great buck in the process. Again, hammering a Muzzy through that shoulder bone IS possible - as possible as it glancing off or simply missing by 3 inches and losing that deer.
My opinions guys, but I think overall most bowhunters will agree with my assessment.
Any comments ?
All responses were compound shooter, with the exception of 3 tradional shooters and one crossbow hunter.
Nobody would pass on #2 - quartering away shot - perfect.
#1 - there were 13 people who would take this shot. I passed this very shot on a big buck (10 pointer, est 150 P&Y) 2 years ago. Why ? Because its not a good shot. Its not a terrible shot, but not good because of the shoulder bone in the way. A LOT of deer are lost with this shot, few people under the pressure could make it. I could have made it, I KNOW I could have, and passed, and I think everyone should. All the responses were compound shooters who would take the shot and the crossbow.
#3 - all but 6 would pass this shot - all 6 compound shooters. Not a good shot, too many ifs. 3 inches one way and you shoot hama dn ass, 3 inches the other and you shoot through the front of the shoulder and into no vitals.
#4 - 3 people, compound shooters, would take this shot. Again, a VERY poor shot IMO, and most everyone else agreed.
I wish more trad shooters would have responded. I bet 99.9 % of them would have answere Y to only shot #2. I also wish more crossbow shooters would have responded to see what shots would have been taken.
I wil add this. The last day of season should have had nothing to do with it. Also, with my compound, the first couple of years I hunted, I would have taken shot #1, and would have had a pretty good chance of losing that great buck in the process. Again, hammering a Muzzy through that shoulder bone IS possible - as possible as it glancing off or simply missing by 3 inches and losing that deer.
My opinions guys, but I think overall most bowhunters will agree with my assessment.
Any comments ?
01-26-2002, 08:17 AM
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RE: Shot selection results - interesting
stealthycat,I could only comment on the quartering away shot, depending on how many yards away.IF 30yds or under I would take the shot.I would have to see the pics. of the others you are talking about which I don't see here.
01-26-2002, 08:40 AM
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RE: Shot selection results - interesting
Do you think it would have been agood idea to ask how many years of experience each person had?
I know that my shot selection has changed with my experience.Not with the equipment that I carry.
I still would say that experience is the main factor in the equation.
I know that my shot selection has changed with my experience.Not with the equipment that I carry.
I still would say that experience is the main factor in the equation.
01-28-2002, 11:11 AM
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RE: Shot selection results - interesting
Stelthy,
I agree 100%.
I took shot # 1 early in my bow hunting life from a tree and lost two bucks because of it. Some 20 yrs. later I will NEVER take that shot again. It is a poor shot, especially with that rack hanging over him<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>.
I know of a few guys who have harvested deer with this shot but I know of more that have lost deer with that shot. I am surprised so many people said yes to no. 1.
With that said I will add that when confronted with a monster buck I will widen my shot selection a little. If I were to shoot a doe or average buck I would opt for a broadside or quartering away only. I don't shoot does but I see a lot of them along with a fair amount of average bucks. No sense taking any chance when you are fairly certain you will get another chance down the road. But when it comes to slobs, they don't come around so often. I will only take a high percentage shot, but will take one that I would not on a dink. I know it is not the consensus here but I have to be honest, I will pull the trigger on a 35 yd broadside shot on a monster that I will not pull on a six.
I agree 100%.
I took shot # 1 early in my bow hunting life from a tree and lost two bucks because of it. Some 20 yrs. later I will NEVER take that shot again. It is a poor shot, especially with that rack hanging over him<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>.
I know of a few guys who have harvested deer with this shot but I know of more that have lost deer with that shot. I am surprised so many people said yes to no. 1.
With that said I will add that when confronted with a monster buck I will widen my shot selection a little. If I were to shoot a doe or average buck I would opt for a broadside or quartering away only. I don't shoot does but I see a lot of them along with a fair amount of average bucks. No sense taking any chance when you are fairly certain you will get another chance down the road. But when it comes to slobs, they don't come around so often. I will only take a high percentage shot, but will take one that I would not on a dink. I know it is not the consensus here but I have to be honest, I will pull the trigger on a 35 yd broadside shot on a monster that I will not pull on a six.
01-28-2002, 12:11 PM
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RE: Shot selection results - interesting
Rack-atack, you may be impuned by others for your honesty, but I'd be willing to bet others practice the same thing -- although they may preach otherwise behind the safe confines of a computer screen. Thanks for the honesty.
01-28-2002, 12:12 PM
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RE: Shot selection results - interesting
Stealthycat,
Good job on the post, it was fun. People could argue all day about the 1st shot, I'd choose to shoot it, but I wouldn't blame someone if they wouldn't-just like I'd take a 35 yard shot, but I would hope most wouldn't.
One thing though, I would hope I wouldn't let my judgement be clouded by "big antlers". I would like to think that out of respect for the whitetail itself, big or small, I would opt for the same shot for all animals without bending the rules, even if slightly, for a trophy animal. When you see the big boy though, it's hard telling what someone will do, some don't even get their bow back, let alone wait for the appropriate shot.
Jeff...U.P. of Michigan.
Good job on the post, it was fun. People could argue all day about the 1st shot, I'd choose to shoot it, but I wouldn't blame someone if they wouldn't-just like I'd take a 35 yard shot, but I would hope most wouldn't.
One thing though, I would hope I wouldn't let my judgement be clouded by "big antlers". I would like to think that out of respect for the whitetail itself, big or small, I would opt for the same shot for all animals without bending the rules, even if slightly, for a trophy animal. When you see the big boy though, it's hard telling what someone will do, some don't even get their bow back, let alone wait for the appropriate shot.
Jeff...U.P. of Michigan.
01-28-2002, 12:41 PM
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RE: Shot selection results - interesting
BobCo19-65 - no problem, thanks for the attaboy
Rack-attack - You reckon thats what Zaft did ??? I think it was, and he lost a great animal because of it. Lucky for him a farmer found its skeleton and he got the horns back, but its an example of a risky shot that shouldn't have been taken.
Rack-attack - You reckon thats what Zaft did ??? I think it was, and he lost a great animal because of it. Lucky for him a farmer found its skeleton and he got the horns back, but its an example of a risky shot that shouldn't have been taken.
01-28-2002, 01:17 PM
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RE: Shot selection results - interesting
stealthy,
Lost it???
Last I heard he will be the new World Record holder for bow.
And why bash Zaft, I think the shot he took is no worse than the 13 posters that would shoot pict. no.1 from 20 ft. high.
Don't assume that my shot selection on large bucks becomes irresponsible. I am ultra conservative on average deer and only open up the window a little for the brutes.
Lost it???
Last I heard he will be the new World Record holder for bow.
And why bash Zaft, I think the shot he took is no worse than the 13 posters that would shoot pict. no.1 from 20 ft. high.
Don't assume that my shot selection on large bucks becomes irresponsible. I am ultra conservative on average deer and only open up the window a little for the brutes.