Is it really that much better??
12-04-2008, 07:32 PM
#71
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Northwest suburbs, Illinois
Posts: 2,075
RE: Is it really that much better??
ORIGINAL: Schultzy
Many more locations In your state then most.
Location is not about state.. it's about what YOU have to hunt.
I'll take a great spot in Minnesota over a crappy spot in Illinois anyday. And I'll take a great Illinois spot over a crappy Minnesota spot anyday too.
That's what I'm saying.
People come to Illinois.. hunt with an outfitter on managed acres with 140" mins.. and go WOW Illlinois rocks.
Ya.. try telling that to the native who has to put up with the BS from the outfitter.
C'mon people. I know location matters.. but NOT if you can't hunt it.
It's not about state.. it's ABOUT what YOU can hunt. Period.
12-04-2008, 07:36 PM
#73
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Oct 2005
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Posts: 21,043
RE: Is it really that much better??
I'll take a great spot in Minnesota over a crappy spot in Illinois anyday. And I'll take a great Illinois spot over a crappy Minnesota spot anyday too.
You're comparing worst to best and vice versa. Needn't be that way and I'm betting it wasn't the intent.
12-04-2008, 07:39 PM
#74
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Southeast, Va
Posts: 3,965
RE: Is it really that much better??
I agree Duke.. now for the real question...how do the deer, does, bucks, fawns....how do they move there?? frequenty and fairly freely?? or just after light and just before dark like here in Va??
12-04-2008, 07:40 PM
#75
Typical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 899
RE: Is it really that much better??
Rory im just trying to see if the guys in those areas strugge to see deer ike we do here at times
If anyone thinks for a second that QDMA is practiced by even A THIRD of the state, you are badly mistaken. Little dudes get whacked here, ALL THE FREAKING TIME.
What we have here are super soils and quality genetics. When deer happen to live to 4.5, they have impressive headgear, but even more impressive instincts.
Our 4 year olds are anywhere from 140ish-170ish. So sue us.
12-04-2008, 07:41 PM
#76
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Posts: 3,465
RE: Is it really that much better??
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Come on Duke. The point's pretty clear, I thought (Schultzy's). Avg. NC land v. Avg IL land. You gotta kill a P&Y. Where ya going?
You're comparing worst to best and vice versa. Needn't be that way and I'm betting it wasn't the intent.
I'll take a great spot in Minnesota over a crappy spot in Illinois anyday. And I'll take a great Illinois spot over a crappy Minnesota spot anyday too.
You're comparing worst to best and vice versa. Needn't be that way and I'm betting it wasn't the intent.
12-04-2008, 07:45 PM
#78
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Southeast, Va
Posts: 3,965
RE: Is it really that much better??
come on guys....we are getting way off the rea subject here....I want to hear more about the patterns of these deer....how they move, when they move, how often they move..etc..
12-04-2008, 07:46 PM
#79
Fork Horn
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: IA
Posts: 167
RE: Is it really that much better??
ORIGINAL: Illinois Buck Hunter
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ORIGINAL: TEmbry
My honest opinion? I think people's views are skewed.
A guy will hunt a state such as PA, NC, AL, FL, TN, KY,___(fill in the blank) and they get frustrated. They are hunting average hunting grounds like everyone else. Then said person will take a trip out of state, but here is the kicker...when they come to the promised lands to hunt, they don't hunt normal hunting grounds like the majority of hunters living there do....they go with a big wig outfitter who has access to 30,000 acres in the Golden Triangle of prime time land managed for huge bucks...and huge bucks they see. They go from hunting standard lands to hunting the mother load of all managed farms to hunt, and attribute the difference to state lines. They return to home state, and tell everyone how much people in IL, KS, IA, __, etc have it made, huge bucks behind every tree.
Are states in the midwest managed better than other areas? Possibly.
Do deer in the midwest naturally have bigger headgear on average and bigger body size than say a coastal VA, NC, or FL counterpart? Obviously.
But a Mature buck is a mature buck...If you can kill them in___ on NORMAL HUNTING LANDS (the kind of land you and I gain access to), then you can more than likely kill them in ____. Obviously each state will offer unique challenges, some being more difficult than others...but it is all relative.
Before anyone gets their panties in a wad, I am not basing this off of anyone here (sort of), the post was spurred by someone I know personally who just got back from hunting Pike County IL, and how easy deer hunting is up there.
My honest opinion? I think people's views are skewed.
A guy will hunt a state such as PA, NC, AL, FL, TN, KY,___(fill in the blank) and they get frustrated. They are hunting average hunting grounds like everyone else. Then said person will take a trip out of state, but here is the kicker...when they come to the promised lands to hunt, they don't hunt normal hunting grounds like the majority of hunters living there do....they go with a big wig outfitter who has access to 30,000 acres in the Golden Triangle of prime time land managed for huge bucks...and huge bucks they see. They go from hunting standard lands to hunting the mother load of all managed farms to hunt, and attribute the difference to state lines. They return to home state, and tell everyone how much people in IL, KS, IA, __, etc have it made, huge bucks behind every tree.
Are states in the midwest managed better than other areas? Possibly.
Do deer in the midwest naturally have bigger headgear on average and bigger body size than say a coastal VA, NC, or FL counterpart? Obviously.
But a Mature buck is a mature buck...If you can kill them in___ on NORMAL HUNTING LANDS (the kind of land you and I gain access to), then you can more than likely kill them in ____. Obviously each state will offer unique challenges, some being more difficult than others...but it is all relative.
Before anyone gets their panties in a wad, I am not basing this off of anyone here (sort of), the post was spurred by someone I know personally who just got back from hunting Pike County IL, and how easy deer hunting is up there.
12-04-2008, 07:48 PM
#80
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Midway Ky USA
Posts: 1,157
RE: Is it really that much better??
VA...never hunted Ill or IA, but in KS they move just the same as here, right before dark and just after daylight. The biggest difference between KY and KS is the number of mature bucks. But, as stated over and over, my KS location could just be that much better than my Ky location.