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09-09-2008, 10:20 AM
#11
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Oct 2005
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RE: You want to see something sad ?
Whatcha mean Jeff ?
Like get on a buck ? I would have been negative 20 years old, haha.
Like get on a buck ? I would have been negative 20 years old, haha.
What I'm saying is dont let land get taken in a dirty way- like its been done here in NJ and Eastern PA....If you wont seel, they find a reason to condem it.
I dont even know why you made that comment.
09-09-2008, 10:30 AM
#12
Typical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2008
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RE: You want to see something sad ?
ORIGINAL: kevin1
But look at theincredible funnels in between the development, sometimes you have to squeeze the lemon before the lemonade will flow...
But look at theincredible funnels in between the development, sometimes you have to squeeze the lemon before the lemonade will flow...
......why wouldnt they be on my property, houses on 3 out of 4 sides and beans, cutover, and water on my place....whats not to like? lol
09-09-2008, 10:44 AM
#16
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Oct 2005
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RE: You want to see something sad ?
The issue we've been experiencing here on the East is developers that are closely connected with people of power, like state government officials.
Prime example: Developer approaches a farmer and asks if he is willing to sell his working farm- farmers says, no thank you.
A week later and official from a state organization comes to the farmer to "randomly" test his soil. Seeing as how farmers used to use motor oil to keep pasture dust down- soil pops- farm condemed.
Alot of farmers in this area experienced that SAME strategy.
Next thing you know, homes are going up...But how ? The soil is contaminated, right ?
Prime example: Developer approaches a farmer and asks if he is willing to sell his working farm- farmers says, no thank you.
A week later and official from a state organization comes to the farmer to "randomly" test his soil. Seeing as how farmers used to use motor oil to keep pasture dust down- soil pops- farm condemed.
Alot of farmers in this area experienced that SAME strategy.
Next thing you know, homes are going up...But how ? The soil is contaminated, right ?
Are you implying the state/county/city government is going onto private lands and telling landowners that their land is "condemned"?What are they trying to do with the land (the farmers)? Are they seeking to develop it? If not....WHY is the state/county/city government getting involved? How much do you think it costs to remediate an area where a gas tank was/is? A fuel oil tank?And....if they're not trying to develop the land.....why does the government CARE that there's a tank, there? How would they know? Is the tank being there granfathered into the zoning regs? Why not?
These are questions I'd have to have answered, intelligently, to take these "sky is falling" scenarios to heart.
09-09-2008, 10:47 AM
#17
Typical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: New York
Posts: 939
RE: You want to see something sad ?
You should see an aerial photo of where I live and then complain....In my opinion you are fortunate to able to have a place to hunt close to home....I can't wait until I move out of the city.
Here's what I deal with
Here's what I deal with
09-09-2008, 11:02 AM
#20
Dominant Buck
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RE: You want to see something sad ?
Inverse condemnation IS a means to achieve imminent domain.
Inverse condemnation (if I am as vered as I think I am....lol) requires that the reason for sondemnation be a result of PUBLIC use.
Imminent domain, for the use of PRIVATE gain is something I hate. Has it happened, before?Yes. Is it common? No. It is very rare.
Also....let's say Iown a corner lotthat used to be a gas station. Unless I want to build, there....the gov't likely isn't going ot say a thing about the buried tanks....unless theyre a real, public hazard.We'll take it a step further and say they exercise their muscle, though. NOWthey have to give me the option to remediate it. In some instances....I can see this being a large financial burden on the private landwoner.But we're talking about soils on a farm, here. What are we talking? A buried gas tank? A fuel oil tank supplying the residence?
I'm trying to learn something here. I work with these situations all the time (developers/EPA/etc...).
Inverse condemnation (if I am as vered as I think I am....lol) requires that the reason for sondemnation be a result of PUBLIC use.
Imminent domain, for the use of PRIVATE gain is something I hate. Has it happened, before?Yes. Is it common? No. It is very rare.
Also....let's say Iown a corner lotthat used to be a gas station. Unless I want to build, there....the gov't likely isn't going ot say a thing about the buried tanks....unless theyre a real, public hazard.We'll take it a step further and say they exercise their muscle, though. NOWthey have to give me the option to remediate it. In some instances....I can see this being a large financial burden on the private landwoner.But we're talking about soils on a farm, here. What are we talking? A buried gas tank? A fuel oil tank supplying the residence?
I'm trying to learn something here. I work with these situations all the time (developers/EPA/etc...).