Jason N

So, my fiance's bow at 40# has to shoot a 400gr arrow? That's 10gr/pound. I'm working on getting her down to a 250gr arrow! Why don't I just give her a slingshot and a 400gr chunk of lead? It would accomplish the same thing!!

Holy cow, I'd have to up my arrow weight 20gr to be legal! Now that's too much. Why not just a 35# minimum? I don't have a problem with that.

Lilhunter

Hey Mike, the 900 grains was for Moose and Grizz/brown bears. For the rest of the critters it was a proposed 650 grains! The info used to come with these figures was the Natal Study. Just picked up my copy a couple weeks ago, plus a copy of the study done in TBM by Dr. Ashby. Its all interesting to say the least. It proves what I preach but 900 grains...heck it looks like I am headed to shooting REBAR <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>!

wilk

Pretty soon they will be telling us what color fletching to use. I dont know what is the matter with them for every good rule they have 5 bonehead rules......

Hunting with a bow brings about a different challenge on every hunt!!!

Arthur P

Pennsylvania has a reputation for keeping their primitive seasons primitive. Flintlock and roundball were the only things allowed in muzzleloader season for many years. Just think what you would be faced with if they went that route with bow regulations. Instead of griping about 400 grain minimums, you'd all be hunting with selfbows, cane arrows and trade points! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Tribalscream, you asked for weights on crossbow bolts. You might be able to make use of this info in the PA crossbow 'discussions.' Tenpoint crossbows has an arrow chart on their site, in PDF format, showing weights for 20&quot; bolts, carbon inserts, feather fletch and 100 grain points: 2216, 378 grains; 2315, 381 grains; 2219, 416 grains. It also shows speeds with their crossbows using the 2219's ranging from 270-312 fps. With the 2216's, speeds range from 280-323 fps.

www.tenpointcrossbows.com

tribalscream

Thanks ArthurP. I had a hunch that maybe all crossbow bolts weighed at least 400 grains and therefore would be legal. Glad to know I was wrong. I wouldn't have a problem using a 400 grain arrow if I could get one to shoot properly. The arrows I shoot now are only 301 grains. Having to add weight tubes to my GoldTips or switch back to alumi-logs <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> would have to do I guess. It just seems kinda silly to me.

Arthur P

Don't go getting too complacent about the weights of those bolts just yet, Tribal!

There are several very simple things they can do to make them ALL hit 400 grains or better.
Switch the carbon inserts to aluminum. Switch from feathers to vanes. Or simply change from 100 grain points to 125's.

Do any combination of those things and Voila! They're legal.

Lilhunter

hey art, thats not a half bad idea...I have some river cane sittn here and 2 hickory staves..some band saw blades...watch our caribou, I am a coming one of these next few years, if/whenever I learn to make a decent selfbow LOL!

55#recurve

TAKE YOUR TWO HANDS, MAKE FISTS,TAKE THE TWO FINGERS THAT ARE NEIGBOURS TO YOUR INDEX FINGERS AND PUT THEM UP. NOW WAVE THEM AROUND AT ANYONE WANTING TO PASS SUCH A BULL#^*@# LAW. IT's LIKE OUR BLOODY GUN LAWS. CHRETIAN CAN SHOVE IT UP HIS EASTERN GOVERNING FRENCH YOU KNOW WHAT. Here's my vote, saskatchewan, alberta, bc. The western republic of canada, our priminister, KLEIN. Unless you americans want to make some bid for alberta, im sure we wouldn't really care.
Good shooting.
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BTBowhunter

Kinda gettin a chuckle here thinking about the Barney Fife type deputy WCO waitin in the bushes by your car with his grain scale and bow scale in hand<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Arthur P

Lilhunter, the only way to make a selfbow is to make shavings! Quit sitting on those staves and get after it. It's awful hard to screw up a hickory stave. Just take it easy and don't get in too big of a hurry.

BTW, I just got my hands on volume 3 of 'The Traditional Bowyers Bible.' Finally competed my set.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>