Greg / MO

And, yes... I've paid retail for his stuff. Lots of it.

That's FULL retail.

GMMAT

Greg...I don't begrudge anyone any "deal" they get. I was yanking your collective chains.

I own the stuff...and I love it (just not Jeff's stuff, but wolfskin, nonetheless). Truth be told....when mine wears out....I'll buy more. Ifthat happens to be from Jeff....so be it.

I think I'll start saving, now.[&:]

quiksilver

Sorry Greg, but I have to disagree.

I won't buy a $20,000.00 Yugo, because it looks like a piece of crap. I don't need to test-drive it. I don't need to feel the upholstery. I don't need to read testimonials. It looks crappy, so I take a pass. Trust me, I can tell from the pictures. Sometime, pictures alone are enough tobase your opinionon. See Exhibit A.


The People's Exhibit A

I do the same thing with food, clothing, hairstyles, dry goods, and pretty much every tangible piece of merchandise that I buy. It's the American way. We window shop. Welcome to America, where we base purchases on visual perception. We're all guilty of window-shopping. If you say you've never based an opinion on looks alone- you're only kidding yourself.

My question is (and has always been): What justification is there for dropping a bill-and-a-half on a pair of 4-pocket hunting pants? What justification is there for paying $180 for a pair of unlined hunting pants with cargo pockets? No scent containment (that's extra).

You guys are flying off the handle because you don't like the answer - not the question. If everyone would've jumped on here and said "Gray Wolf is the greatest bargain in the free world," y'all would've gone to bed happy, with rainbows dancing in your dreams.

If it's purely a donation to the small domestic guy who provides exemplary customer service and a competitive product, and fights thegiants -then let's call it that.

If it's truly a superior product, then let's call a spade a spade and give credit where it's due.

Like many things, the realanswer apparentlylies somewhere in the middle, and is subject to subjectivity. The results of this survey and the bulk of the opinions being floated here, however, seem to suggest that he isusing solid materials (warp knit is good stuff), but just that his prices are a lot higher than the Average Joe canafford. So, the crux of the whole discussion seems tosuggest that, ifGWWever wants to bite off a bigger market share or get his product in morepeoples' collective hands - it mightbe time to explore a larger economy of scale and try to start suppressing the costs in whatever ways possible.

Germ

In all honesty Fran if Jeff made it cheaper he would lose his market GWW is very smart, he is marketing to that 10-20% of hunter who wants what others don't have(stores not hunters).

I myself am still looking for that perfect bowhunting jacket. I can tell you this:

It's Fleece
Great quiet zipper
Sleeves are fitted can be adjusted at the wrist(no velcro)
Nice fit under the arms, no sagging or puffed out.
Draw strings for the bottom
Mock Collar(like the golf shirts)

Same Jacket in waterproof also

Pants to match, for the life of me I cannot understand why jackets shirts today have huge collars[:@]

Rickmur

[quote]Rick, All Enigma was made in Wolfskin, it's never been made in anything else but Wolfskin. Unless I'm truly mistaken but I don't believe so./quote]

I did not know that Rob. I truly love the Enigma but it doesn't fit anymore. I hope to sell it and maybe invest it back in GWW.
Germ, I guess Rob answered you too but I bought minein the spring of 07 when the 2nd generation was coming out.

Germ

What is GFF

Germ's Freak Fest is all I came up with

Rob/PA Bowyer

I assume it's too big fer ya now slim fella or I'd ask how much but it won't fit me either then.

LouisianaTomkat

What was the point of this thread?

robbcayman

Fran, that is solid posting. I agree with you that it is way overpriced, but if some goober wants to drop "a lot" of his money on these pants then so be it. However, it doesn't mean I have to think it's a smart move. I don't understand why other posters feel the need to vehemently defend the aforementionedcompany.

Even if I had an unlimited supply of money I just don't see myself buying these pants. As previously mentioned, if other pants contain the same material for a fraction of the price it would seem wise to purchase those instead. Plus, the bad thing about clothes is they deteriorate at a rapid pace. Whereas, something like a bow, watch, gun etc.. tends to actually hold their value.

I bet the manufacturer is laughing all the way to the bank.

Actually, the reason these pants don't come with pockets is because you won't have any money to put in the pants after buying them.[:-]

Greg / MO

Picking out one senctence without the context of the following three or four is solid posting? Read the whole paragraph in MY post; THAT'S solid posting.

Some of the members here have come toenjoy asarcastic or comical answer butfail to look further for the substance behind it. That line of thinking is just aserroneous as the thinking that continually pouring your money down the drain buying disposable clothing every few years for a 1/3 or even 1/4 of the price is saving you money.

Here we find another example of someone talking about something they obviously have no first-hand experience with in terms of rapid deterioration. My GWW garments look just as good as the day I opened them out of their box, years ago. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I fully expect to be able to pass down many of these hunting clothes to my sons when I can longer utilize them. Oh, by the way; my oldest boy is age 5 and my youngest is a year-and-a-half old. When's the last time someone bought an $800 bow (as was referenced a few pages back by way of comparison, and deemed perfectly acceptable...), and REALLY expected to keep it a lifetime? Fool yourself if you want to; most don't.

But let's be honest here: Holding value isn't the reason GWW has a loyal customer base. If I were concerned about "investments" and items I purchased holding value, I'd be purchasing gold -- or more realistically, I'd be investing in companies making a splash in the molecular diagnostic business in the hospital laboratory business.

Maybe it's because we don't understand the need for some to come on and attack a company when they've never even actually held the product in their hands? Let the existing customer base come on the forums and complain if they feel slighted... but somehow I don't think that's going to happen, given the satisfaction rate of many of GWW's long-term and repeat customers.

Perhaps that's why this was the most spot-on commentary of Quik's whole original post:

And that... from actual customers. Imagine that.