Extreme FOC arrows
07-23-2008, 09:58 AM
#33
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RE: Extreme FOC arrows
ORIGINAL: Greg / MO
Chad,
It's been quite a while since I've perused the good doctor's article; wasn't most of his research directed at African game?
Not saying it doesn't help to maximize effectiveness in any situation...
Chad,
It's been quite a while since I've perused the good doctor's article; wasn't most of his research directed at African game?
Not saying it doesn't help to maximize effectiveness in any situation...
07-23-2008, 10:07 AM
#34
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RE: Extreme FOC arrows
ORIGINAL: MeanV2
I'm sure Germ's FOC is lower than 27% I have 27.5" FMJ 400's with 100 grain brass inserts and 125 grain Slick Tricks with feathers on the back end and mine came out just over 21%
I figured mine the Old fashioned way! By measuring
Dan
ORIGINAL: PA Hardwoods
I think you may be off buddy. I tried to do a setup with the FMJs for myself but the best I could get was like 19-20% FOC and that was with 320 grains up front. 220grn Muzzy Phantom and 100grn bass insert
I think you may be off buddy. I tried to do a setup with the FMJs for myself but the best I could get was like 19-20% FOC and that was with 320 grains up front. 220grn Muzzy Phantom and 100grn bass insert
I figured mine the Old fashioned way! By measuring
Dan
I scrapped the idea because the 340s put my arrow weight higher than I want it with the brass inserts.
07-23-2008, 10:59 AM
#35
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RE: Extreme FOC arrows
ORIGINAL: BobCo19-65
Four pages and nothing negative said about Dr. Ashby. What up with that?
Four pages and nothing negative said about Dr. Ashby. What up with that?
Let me see if I can say something negative then just to make you happy.
Nope can't think of anything looks like ya gonna have to stay mad
[8D]
He used the toughest animal he could get his hands on to do his testing (Asian Buffalo) to prove or disprove the effectiveness of each setup.
No Asian Buffalo in Africa buddy
He was in the NT of Australia testing his theroy out on the Asian Buff
[8D]But he did do some tests on dangerous game in Africa.
It looks like finally people are starting to listen and learn about the effects of Extreme FOC I know I have been talking about it now for a long time.
One of the good bennifits is that in a heavy cross wind you don't get nearly the amount of driftthat a lower FOC arrow does plus if you hit a small twig the arrow does not get deflected as much.
07-23-2008, 03:04 PM
#37
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RE: Extreme FOC arrows
ORIGINAL: mobow
I agree that high FOC arrows are certainly very stable in flight, my current set up yields 12% FOC. They fly extremely clean.
I'm just thinking outloud here, but how much of this is overkill? What I mean is, I'm shooting a 480 grain arrow, 12% FOC, I'm getting 84 #'s of KE, and while I'll admit I don't know a whole lot about momentum, I'm thinking I have quite a bit. If we're talking about whitetails, all we're really doing now is determining how far in the ground the arrow will be after blowing through said deer. Moose, cape buffalo....Ok, maybe that's not enough, I just don't know.
I'm not arguing here, just thinking. Someone tell me what I'm going to gain by adding another 9% FOC. My arrows are flying like fickin laser beams attached to my frickin bow.....And they hit like a tank. They fly extremely clean, they're almost fun to watch in the air.
I agree that high FOC arrows are certainly very stable in flight, my current set up yields 12% FOC. They fly extremely clean.
I'm just thinking outloud here, but how much of this is overkill? What I mean is, I'm shooting a 480 grain arrow, 12% FOC, I'm getting 84 #'s of KE, and while I'll admit I don't know a whole lot about momentum, I'm thinking I have quite a bit. If we're talking about whitetails, all we're really doing now is determining how far in the ground the arrow will be after blowing through said deer. Moose, cape buffalo....Ok, maybe that's not enough, I just don't know.
I'm not arguing here, just thinking. Someone tell me what I'm going to gain by adding another 9% FOC. My arrows are flying like fickin laser beams attached to my frickin bow.....And they hit like a tank. They fly extremely clean, they're almost fun to watch in the air.
There have been other times when I didn't get a passthrough because I hit that shoulder bone on the way out. Maybe a 500+ grain arrow with 21% FOC and a good fixed blade broadhead would have given me an exit hole.
The third reason is fixed blade broadhead flight.Maybe you want to shoot the biggest fixed blade broadhead you can find, like a G5 Striker Magnum which has a 1.5" cutting diameter. A 21% FOC would sure help your vanes steer that big old head and make it fly like a field point.
These are some of the reasons I can think of. There might be more.
07-23-2008, 03:51 PM
#38
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RE: Extreme FOC arrows
ORIGINAL: HuntingBry
Dan, what draw weight and draw length are you shooting? I was looking to do a similar set up, but found that with a 27.5" draw at 67 lbs. and FMJ 400s with 100 grain brass inserts and 100 grain head I'd be well underspined. I shoot 27" arrows and found that I would be underspined even if I cut them down to 26" at 400.
I scrapped the idea because the 340s put my arrow weight higher than I want it with the brass inserts.
ORIGINAL: MeanV2
I'm sure Germ's FOC is lower than 27% I have 27.5" FMJ 400's with 100 grain brass inserts and 125 grain Slick Tricks with feathers on the back end and mine came out just over 21%
I figured mine the Old fashioned way! By measuring
Dan
ORIGINAL: PA Hardwoods
I think you may be off buddy. I tried to do a setup with the FMJs for myself but the best I could get was like 19-20% FOC and that was with 320 grains up front. 220grn Muzzy Phantom and 100grn bass insert
I think you may be off buddy. I tried to do a setup with the FMJs for myself but the best I could get was like 19-20% FOC and that was with 320 grains up front. 220grn Muzzy Phantom and 100grn bass insert
I figured mine the Old fashioned way! By measuring
Dan
I scrapped the idea because the 340s put my arrow weight higher than I want it with the brass inserts.
Dan
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