Are you detail oriented: speed, KE, grains...?
07-04-2008, 09:56 AM
#11
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2008
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RE: Are you detail oriented: speed, KE, grains...?
I'm very detailed when it comes to having my gear in top shape. I select my gear for hunting only.I like things that are simple and fool proof. When it comes to bow technical info I pay no attention. I don't care how fast it is or what weight my arrow is or my KE. I'm only concerned that it hits where I aim it. I think it's far more important to become proficient with my bow than all thatother stuff.
07-04-2008, 10:22 AM
#12
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Blossvale, New York
Posts: 21,199
RE: Are you detail oriented: speed, KE, grains...?
I don't know if you'd call it being detail oriented or just call it knowing your equipment. Like me, I know my bow is IBO 314 or something like that. But I like heavy arrows, and heavier broadhead, and I have a short draw length 27 1/2. I know my bow is shooting my 475 grain arrow at 260 fps. Do I need to know it. NOPE... but knowing what it does helps me know my equipment. If I want to tinker and see what changes I have a starting point. Paper comfirms my arrows are flying true. I want to know what my FOC is because from what I've read over the past 37 years, it helps to have it in a certain range for hunting. I've always tuned with that in mind. K.E. is a good guide for determining what you can reasonably expect. Yes it's anal, if you have the speed and a balanced arrow the deer is dead. It's important to know if you're thinking mechanical. GAG..GAG spit... NO I'm not thinkiing mechanical. LOL I don't know that you should call all these things being detail oriented, justcomplete in you bow tuning process and understanding.
07-04-2008, 10:50 AM
#13
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dover, PA USA
Posts: 5,497
RE: Are you detail oriented: speed, KE, grains...?
This is not one of those sports where "Ignorance is Bliss"........knowing as much as you can about How, Why and What your equipment is doing will help you in all aspects of the archery end of bowhunting.
It will allow you to become independent (or at least work your way there) with your equipment and be sure your set up is performing at it's peak efficiency. It will also permit you to make informed choices on such things as broadheads that better compliment your rig.
This isn't a gun where all you need to know is pick the right cartridge and know how to turn a scope knob.
"Knowledge is Power"..........
It will allow you to become independent (or at least work your way there) with your equipment and be sure your set up is performing at it's peak efficiency. It will also permit you to make informed choices on such things as broadheads that better compliment your rig.
This isn't a gun where all you need to know is pick the right cartridge and know how to turn a scope knob.
"Knowledge is Power"..........
07-04-2008, 12:23 PM
#14
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Middletown PA United States
Posts: 3,625
RE: Are you detail oriented: speed, KE, grains...?
I spend a lot of time tunkering and trying different things. Rests, arrows, peeps, sights. You name it. I have a chrono and use it extensively. One thing I NEVER worry about is kinetic energy. Kinetic energy is just another thing that gets beaten to death when in reality any bow of 50# or more shooting a properly spined arrow produces enough kinetic energy to down any deer on the planet, regardless of draw length or anything else. There are just too many other things to worry about. Shooting form and mind control being the prime considerations.
07-04-2008, 12:26 PM
#15
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: IL
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RE: Are you detail oriented: speed, KE, grains...?
I don't know either, if I ever get a chrono or goto a shop that has one I will but no worries, I know my lighter arrows shoot faster than my heavier ones....
I estimate my speed, I'm surprised to see guys shooting over 300fps....I just assume AMO speeds vs IBO.....usually 315fps vs 235fps etc....
I like the idea of lighter faster flatter arrows, but my heavier arrows just feel so good. I try to pull more weight but if I don't pull70lbs I don't worry, I pull whats comfy, so ya id love to pull 70 or 80lbs with light arrows that shot great, but if I'm pulling 65lbs with my heavier arrows, and know where theyre going to be when I release the string, thats plenty fine by me.
afterall the best hunter isn't the best shot at the range, or the guy with the best setup, fastest most accurate arrows, if that 400" bull elk walks up and you're shaking so hard you can't even pull your 80lb bow, you might as well be an 8yo boy with a toy compound. I'm sure there are some great hunters out there using old/bad equipment shooting arrows at 200fps with more trophies than you or I can dream about. That guy would impress me more than the guy shooting 350fps and can hit a dime at 80yds but can't kill anything that offers him a shot.
I estimate my speed, I'm surprised to see guys shooting over 300fps....I just assume AMO speeds vs IBO.....usually 315fps vs 235fps etc....
I like the idea of lighter faster flatter arrows, but my heavier arrows just feel so good. I try to pull more weight but if I don't pull70lbs I don't worry, I pull whats comfy, so ya id love to pull 70 or 80lbs with light arrows that shot great, but if I'm pulling 65lbs with my heavier arrows, and know where theyre going to be when I release the string, thats plenty fine by me.
afterall the best hunter isn't the best shot at the range, or the guy with the best setup, fastest most accurate arrows, if that 400" bull elk walks up and you're shaking so hard you can't even pull your 80lb bow, you might as well be an 8yo boy with a toy compound. I'm sure there are some great hunters out there using old/bad equipment shooting arrows at 200fps with more trophies than you or I can dream about. That guy would impress me more than the guy shooting 350fps and can hit a dime at 80yds but can't kill anything that offers him a shot.
07-04-2008, 01:44 PM
#16
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Jun 2007
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RE: Are you detail oriented: speed, KE, grains...?
I have always been very detail oriented about all my Archery equipment.
I wanna know exactly what is doing, as well as what it is capable of doing. It gives me something to do in the offseason as well
I feel the more familar you are with your equipment the quicker you are to spot/feel a slight change in anything regarding your Bow.
Dan
I wanna know exactly what is doing, as well as what it is capable of doing. It gives me something to do in the offseason as well
I feel the more familar you are with your equipment the quicker you are to spot/feel a slight change in anything regarding your Bow.
Dan
07-04-2008, 03:27 PM
#17
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Blossvale, New York
Posts: 21,199
RE: Are you detail oriented: speed, KE, grains...?
ORIGINAL: BGfisher
I spend a lot of time tunkering and trying different things. Rests, arrows, peeps, sights. You name it. I have a chrono and use it extensively. One thing I NEVER worry about is kinetic energy. Kinetic energy is just another thing that gets beaten to death when in reality any bow of 50# or more shooting a properly spined arrow produces enough kinetic energy to down any deer on the planet, regardless of draw length or anything else. There are just too many other things to worry about. Shooting form and mind control being the prime considerations.
I spend a lot of time tunkering and trying different things. Rests, arrows, peeps, sights. You name it. I have a chrono and use it extensively. One thing I NEVER worry about is kinetic energy. Kinetic energy is just another thing that gets beaten to death when in reality any bow of 50# or more shooting a properly spined arrow produces enough kinetic energy to down any deer on the planet, regardless of draw length or anything else. There are just too many other things to worry about. Shooting form and mind control being the prime considerations.
07-04-2008, 07:38 PM
#18
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Where the big deer are from, seminole county FL
Posts: 1,435
RE: Are you detail oriented: speed, KE, grains...?
ORIGINAL: Mottz
I must be the only one who doesn't know that stuff. When I bought my bow the guy set it up for me and told me the numbers then, but what I heard was the way the teacher on Charlie Brown sounds. I shoot and adjust accordingly. I don't do too much tinkering cause I don't want to screw it up and not be able to get it back.
I must be the only one who doesn't know that stuff. When I bought my bow the guy set it up for me and told me the numbers then, but what I heard was the way the teacher on Charlie Brown sounds. I shoot and adjust accordingly. I don't do too much tinkering cause I don't want to screw it up and not be able to get it back.
07-04-2008, 07:48 PM
#19
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Where the big deer are from, seminole county FL
Posts: 1,435
RE: Are you detail oriented: speed, KE, grains...?
ORIGINAL: salukipv1
I don't know either, if I ever get a chrono or goto a shop that has one I will but no worries, I know my lighter arrows shoot faster than my heavier ones....
I estimate my speed, I'm surprised to see guys shooting over 300fps....I just assume AMO speeds vs IBO.....usually 315fps vs 235fps etc....
I like the idea of lighter faster flatter arrows, but my heavier arrows just feel so good. I try to pull more weight but if I don't pull70lbs I don't worry, I pull whats comfy, so ya id love to pull 70 or 80lbs with light arrows that shot great, but if I'm pulling 65lbs with my heavier arrows, and know where theyre going to be when I release the string, thats plenty fine by me.
afterall the best hunter isn't the best shot at the range, or the guy with the best setup, fastest most accurate arrows, if that 400" bull elk walks up and you're shaking so hard you can't even pull your 80lb bow, you might as well be an 8yo boy with a toy compound. I'm sure there are some great hunters out there using old/bad equipment shooting arrows at 200fps with more trophies than you or I can dream about. That guy would impress me more than the guy shooting 350fps and can hit a dime at 80yds but can't kill anything that offers him a shot.
I don't know either, if I ever get a chrono or goto a shop that has one I will but no worries, I know my lighter arrows shoot faster than my heavier ones....
I estimate my speed, I'm surprised to see guys shooting over 300fps....I just assume AMO speeds vs IBO.....usually 315fps vs 235fps etc....
I like the idea of lighter faster flatter arrows, but my heavier arrows just feel so good. I try to pull more weight but if I don't pull70lbs I don't worry, I pull whats comfy, so ya id love to pull 70 or 80lbs with light arrows that shot great, but if I'm pulling 65lbs with my heavier arrows, and know where theyre going to be when I release the string, thats plenty fine by me.
afterall the best hunter isn't the best shot at the range, or the guy with the best setup, fastest most accurate arrows, if that 400" bull elk walks up and you're shaking so hard you can't even pull your 80lb bow, you might as well be an 8yo boy with a toy compound. I'm sure there are some great hunters out there using old/bad equipment shooting arrows at 200fps with more trophies than you or I can dream about. That guy would impress me more than the guy shooting 350fps and can hit a dime at 80yds but can't kill anything that offers him a shot.
but he has shot more deer than i can count
07-04-2008, 09:31 PM
#20
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: USA
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RE: Are you detail oriented: speed, KE, grains...?
ORIGINAL: jbowersox
Yeah, I'm that way. I actually do have a decibel meter that I use. I'm only this way with my hobbies for some reason.
ORIGINAL: racewayking
My hunting buddy MECHDOC has a mini pro shop in his garage. I stopped by his place to chrono and tinker with my setup for the season. I know what a 403gr setup will do and what f.o.c. I have and what a 428gr setup will do. My bow pulls at 82.2# currently and I have no problem shooting broadheads as accurately as my fieldpoints. Now if he would get a decible meter I'd be totally dialed in
My hunting buddy MECHDOC has a mini pro shop in his garage. I stopped by his place to chrono and tinker with my setup for the season. I know what a 403gr setup will do and what f.o.c. I have and what a 428gr setup will do. My bow pulls at 82.2# currently and I have no problem shooting broadheads as accurately as my fieldpoints. Now if he would get a decible meter I'd be totally dialed in
