Buck:Doe Ratio....How bad can it be?
05-28-2008, 04:33 PM
#41
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RE: Buck:Doe Ratio....How bad can it be?
ORIGINAL: early in
That wasn't hard to figure out based on what you were saying.
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
I'm one of the guys that don't think there are to many deer,and where I live there aren't.The more does equal more bucks.
I'm one of the guys that don't think there are to many deer,and where I live there aren't.The more does equal more bucks.
I think I have made it clear that just like QDM, herd dynamics are both misleading terms for antler management.
05-28-2008, 04:55 PM
#44
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RE: Buck:Doe Ratio....How bad can it be?
ORIGINAL: early in
Jim, are you familure with the term "carrying capicity"? It has a lot to do with herd dynamics.
Jim, are you familure with the term "carrying capicity"? It has a lot to do with herd dynamics.
I also have a problem with how a dozen dead doe means the herd is "healthier." [:-]
05-28-2008, 04:57 PM
#45
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RE: Buck:Doe Ratio....How bad can it be?
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
Carrying capacity is over rated.
I also have a problem with how a dozen dead doe means the herd is "healthier." [:-]
ORIGINAL: early in
Jim, are you familure with the term "carrying capicity"? It has a lot to do with herd dynamics.
Jim, are you familure with the term "carrying capicity"? It has a lot to do with herd dynamics.
I also have a problem with how a dozen dead doe means the herd is "healthier." [:-]
05-28-2008, 05:14 PM
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RE: Buck:Doe Ratio....How bad can it be?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
If you do the math......how bad can it really be?
If we have to assume that the newborn ratio is 1:1......let's assume you hunt a square mile. 640 acres and your herd count is 20/sq. mi. .
Let's say you start with a 9:1 (highly unlikely....but for the sake of the argument.....we'll use it). 20 deer, total. Let's even go a step further and say you kill 2 racked bucks off your property. Now.....you are at 0:18.
Now....if you have a 75% fawn survival rate.....and assume100% are bred (1 fawn:1 Doe).....you have 18 does giving birth to 9 buck fawns and 9 doe fawns. Take out your 25% that don't survive.....and you now have13 fawns surviving......half of which are bucks.If you have an equal %-age of doe mortality....you now have a herd that entails 31 deer for the upcoming season......and closer to a5:1 Buckoe ratio.
I'm one to see a lot of deer throughout a season....and I admit to seeing very few bucks. But.....that don't mean they aren't there.
Throw in displacement/Dispersal.....and I think it pretty much evens out (some leave.....some move in).
Is there anything wrong with this way of looking at this? I just think the ratios we see posted are sometimes NOT the way things really are in the wild.
If you do the math......how bad can it really be?
If we have to assume that the newborn ratio is 1:1......let's assume you hunt a square mile. 640 acres and your herd count is 20/sq. mi. .
Let's say you start with a 9:1 (highly unlikely....but for the sake of the argument.....we'll use it). 20 deer, total. Let's even go a step further and say you kill 2 racked bucks off your property. Now.....you are at 0:18.
Now....if you have a 75% fawn survival rate.....and assume100% are bred (1 fawn:1 Doe).....you have 18 does giving birth to 9 buck fawns and 9 doe fawns. Take out your 25% that don't survive.....and you now have13 fawns surviving......half of which are bucks.If you have an equal %-age of doe mortality....you now have a herd that entails 31 deer for the upcoming season......and closer to a5:1 Buck
oe ratio.I'm one to see a lot of deer throughout a season....and I admit to seeing very few bucks. But.....that don't mean they aren't there.
Throw in displacement/Dispersal.....and I think it pretty much evens out (some leave.....some move in).
Is there anything wrong with this way of looking at this? I just think the ratios we see posted are sometimes NOT the way things really are in the wild.
05-28-2008, 07:22 PM
#49
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RE: Buck:Doe Ratio....How bad can it be?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
If you do the math......how bad can it really be?
If we have to assume that the newborn ratio is 1:1......let's assume you hunt a square mile. 640 acres and your herd count is 20/sq. mi. .
Let's say you start with a 9:1 (highly unlikely....but for the sake of the argument.....we'll use it). 20 deer, total. Let's even go a step further and say you kill 2 racked bucks off your property. Now.....you are at 0:18.
Now....if you have a 75% fawn survival rate.....and assume100% are bred (1 fawn:1 Doe).....you have 18 does giving birth to 9 buck fawns and 9 doe fawns. Take out your 25% that don't survive.....and you now have13 fawns surviving......half of which are bucks.If you have an equal %-age of doe mortality....you now have a herd that entails 31 deer for the upcoming season......and closer to a5:1 Buckoe ratio.
I'm one to see a lot of deer throughout a season....and I admit to seeing very few bucks. But.....that don't mean they aren't there.
Throw in displacement/Dispersal.....and I think it pretty much evens out (some leave.....some move in).
Is there anything wrong with this way of looking at this? I just think the ratios we see posted are sometimes NOT the way things really are in the wild.
If you do the math......how bad can it really be?
If we have to assume that the newborn ratio is 1:1......let's assume you hunt a square mile. 640 acres and your herd count is 20/sq. mi. .
Let's say you start with a 9:1 (highly unlikely....but for the sake of the argument.....we'll use it). 20 deer, total. Let's even go a step further and say you kill 2 racked bucks off your property. Now.....you are at 0:18.
Now....if you have a 75% fawn survival rate.....and assume100% are bred (1 fawn:1 Doe).....you have 18 does giving birth to 9 buck fawns and 9 doe fawns. Take out your 25% that don't survive.....and you now have13 fawns surviving......half of which are bucks.If you have an equal %-age of doe mortality....you now have a herd that entails 31 deer for the upcoming season......and closer to a5:1 Buck
oe ratio.I'm one to see a lot of deer throughout a season....and I admit to seeing very few bucks. But.....that don't mean they aren't there.
Throw in displacement/Dispersal.....and I think it pretty much evens out (some leave.....some move in).
Is there anything wrong with this way of looking at this? I just think the ratios we see posted are sometimes NOT the way things really are in the wild.
Howcan you beaccurate on the buck to doe ratiowhen the deer move around so much. They move according to food sources an cover, logging, weather events an etc. some bucks travel several miles during the rut.I have had pics of bucks during the summer time that were 1/2 mile away. Just seems like there are to many variables.
