Smoke Broadheads!
05-15-2008, 08:38 AM
#11
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RE: Smoke Broadheads!
If they don't expand on impact with a foam target, how do they expand when impacting a deer? Is this where the "Tommy Nocker" comes into play, and can you explain how it works? Also, how do you extract the arrow, it looks like it would grab the target big time pulling it out?
05-15-2008, 08:45 AM
#12
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RE: Smoke Broadheads!
ORIGINAL: whitetailbowhunter
A head that doesn't open in a target kinda scares me..
A head that doesn't open in a target kinda scares me..
what does it take to open them?
I also agree if your going to promote them then do it. Give us the sales pitch. I want all the data.
05-15-2008, 08:48 AM
#13
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RE: Smoke Broadheads!
I will get some pictures of how they fold up to later. They weight 100 grains cutting diameter is 1 1/8 inches but like you said if they don't expand in a foam target you probably don't want to but these ones but then they are comming out with the ramcat and it is 1 1/4 inch cutting diameter and it expandes in foam targets to. any ways got to there website and look at the ramcat and tell me what you think of them
05-15-2008, 08:56 AM
#14
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RE: Smoke Broadheads!
ORIGINAL: HOGHUNTINGUNLIMITED
I will get some pictures of how they fold up to later. They weight 100 grains cutting diameter is 1 1/8 inches but like you said if they don't expand in a foam target you probably don't want to but these ones but then they are comming out with the ramcat and it is 1 1/4 inch cutting diameter and it expandes in foam targets to. any ways got to there website and look at the ramcat and tell me what you think of them
I will get some pictures of how they fold up to later. They weight 100 grains cutting diameter is 1 1/8 inches but like you said if they don't expand in a foam target you probably don't want to but these ones but then they are comming out with the ramcat and it is 1 1/4 inch cutting diameter and it expandes in foam targets to. any ways got to there website and look at the ramcat and tell me what you think of them
(Oh yeah you might want to take Nitron broadhead out of your Signature
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05-15-2008, 09:10 AM
#15
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RE: Smoke Broadheads!
ORIGINAL: HOGHUNTINGUNLIMITED
but like you said if they don't expand in a foam target you probably don't want to but these ones but then they are comming out with the ramcat and it is 1 1/4 inch cutting diameter and it expandes in foam targets to.
but like you said if they don't expand in a foam target you probably don't want to but these ones but then they are comming out with the ramcat and it is 1 1/4 inch cutting diameter and it expandes in foam targets to.
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05-15-2008, 09:15 AM
#16
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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RE: Smoke Broadheads!
I just watched the video on resetting the blade back into the ferrule. You are supposed to lift the spring and then push this "razor sharp surgical cutting blade" into place with your finger LOL. And you can possibly bend the spring!
LOL. And you can possibly bend the spring!
05-15-2008, 09:25 AM
#18
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RE: Smoke Broadheads!
They should have brought out the "mirrors broadhead" at the same time. Then maybe they could have fooled a few folks with "Smoke and Mirrors" the latest bowhunting gadgets you MUST have! LMAO 
05-15-2008, 11:07 AM
#19
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RE: Smoke Broadheads!
I honestly woudnt be abit afraid to use them... But I cant pay 40+ for a bh.
[align=center]FACTS AND MYTHS[/align]
We have gotten a number of inquiries about the deployment of the Smoke Broadhead in specific targets. There were concerns that if the broadhead doesn’t deploy in a target (as we note on our packaging and on the website), it won’t deploy in a live animal. THIS IS A MYTH! I would like to share the following in order to educate people about the Smoke’s advanced deployment system.
[align=center]FACTS/MTYHBUSTERS[/align]
The Smoke Broadhead was designed for larger game like white tail deer, hogs, elk, mule deer, bear, etc. Due to the extensive testing we have done, you will see below that I have specifically designed a tip for small game with thinner hides, feathers, lighter body masses, or rigid surfaces (including targets). This is currently in production and is anticipated to be available on our website soon.
With the Smoke, I set my testing standards to parallel the industry standards. The target needs hide to be on a pliable backing like the industry standard ballistic gelatin. This most closely resembles a live target in a hunting situation because of the resistance and give of the target. This allows the Smoke Broadhead to create front end load for deployment as it is pushing through the hide into the pliable ballistic gelatin and/or body mass before it deploys and enters the target. After it is deployed and enters the target, the Smoke frontal tip creates a hydrofoil which minimizes friction down the arrow shaft and allows for extreme penetration.
The reason the Smoke Broadhead will not go off in cardboard/foam types of targets is because the surface area of cardboard/foam is not hydrated and does not flex. It has a rigid surface area which disallows the puckering/pliancy of the target which is needed for the Smoke Broadhead to deploy and lock open. A rigid surface will disallow the give in the target that allows the blades to lock open. The blades will open; however, they will not reach the locking position; and therefore, will close before they have a chance to lock (especially with today’s high speed compound and cross bows). The slight amount of pliancy in the animal’s hide enables the blades to deploy and lock open.
For smaller game such as fox, turkeys, etc., I have produced the Smoke Tommy Knocker turkey tip. This is a wider and flatter tip that screws on to the end of the Smoke. This tip also will enable the Smoke Broadhead to open in foam/rigid targets.
Also in production and anticipated to be available soon is a 25 grain bushing that can be screwed behind the tip of the Smoke Broadhead. If you want to practice, simply remove the blades which weigh 25 grains and attach the bushing. When you are ready to go hunting, remove the bushing and insert the blades. This bushing also accommodates archers who prefer a 125 grain broadhead.
Larger game with heavier hide require the Smoke triangular cutting tip. You will see the difference between the Smoke and the Tommy Knocker turkeytip and the effectiveness that each has on larger and smaller game, respectively.
[align=center]FACTS AND MYTHS[/align]
We have gotten a number of inquiries about the deployment of the Smoke Broadhead in specific targets. There were concerns that if the broadhead doesn’t deploy in a target (as we note on our packaging and on the website), it won’t deploy in a live animal. THIS IS A MYTH! I would like to share the following in order to educate people about the Smoke’s advanced deployment system.
[align=center]FACTS/MTYHBUSTERS[/align]
The Smoke Broadhead was designed for larger game like white tail deer, hogs, elk, mule deer, bear, etc. Due to the extensive testing we have done, you will see below that I have specifically designed a tip for small game with thinner hides, feathers, lighter body masses, or rigid surfaces (including targets). This is currently in production and is anticipated to be available on our website soon.
With the Smoke, I set my testing standards to parallel the industry standards. The target needs hide to be on a pliable backing like the industry standard ballistic gelatin. This most closely resembles a live target in a hunting situation because of the resistance and give of the target. This allows the Smoke Broadhead to create front end load for deployment as it is pushing through the hide into the pliable ballistic gelatin and/or body mass before it deploys and enters the target. After it is deployed and enters the target, the Smoke frontal tip creates a hydrofoil which minimizes friction down the arrow shaft and allows for extreme penetration.
The reason the Smoke Broadhead will not go off in cardboard/foam types of targets is because the surface area of cardboard/foam is not hydrated and does not flex. It has a rigid surface area which disallows the puckering/pliancy of the target which is needed for the Smoke Broadhead to deploy and lock open. A rigid surface will disallow the give in the target that allows the blades to lock open. The blades will open; however, they will not reach the locking position; and therefore, will close before they have a chance to lock (especially with today’s high speed compound and cross bows). The slight amount of pliancy in the animal’s hide enables the blades to deploy and lock open.
For smaller game such as fox, turkeys, etc., I have produced the Smoke Tommy Knocker turkey tip. This is a wider and flatter tip that screws on to the end of the Smoke. This tip also will enable the Smoke Broadhead to open in foam/rigid targets.
Also in production and anticipated to be available soon is a 25 grain bushing that can be screwed behind the tip of the Smoke Broadhead. If you want to practice, simply remove the blades which weigh 25 grains and attach the bushing. When you are ready to go hunting, remove the bushing and insert the blades. This bushing also accommodates archers who prefer a 125 grain broadhead.
Larger game with heavier hide require the Smoke triangular cutting tip. You will see the difference between the Smoke and the Tommy Knocker turkeytip and the effectiveness that each has on larger and smaller game, respectively.
05-15-2008, 11:21 AM
#20
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Southern MD
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RE: Smoke Broadheads!
I can get slick tricks for half the price and I do not have to worry about pliancy or whether I have the correct tip for the correct animal. Why on earth would I want to add all this extra stuff into using a broadhead? If anything, I want to simplify my bowhunting not make it more complex.