location.....
04-24-2008, 08:02 PM
#31
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Kansas
Posts: 3,288
RE: location.....
ORIGINAL: buckeye
I do quite a bit of bass fishing / tournaments our biglargemouth here are 3+ pounds with "trophy" size bass 5-6 pounds.... You don't hear me crying about the Big bass down south and out west do ya
ORIGINAL: Dubbya
It's all about location, location, location... come on, you wouldn't feel the same way if you didn't live in OHIO!
It's all about location, location, location... come on, you wouldn't feel the same way if you didn't live in OHIO!
No, But our squirrels are bigger here than they are down south and you dont hear me bragging on them either.Im moving back to Kansas, you can have my old spots up here
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04-24-2008, 09:19 PM
#33
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Deer Country
Posts: 2,244
RE: location.....
ORIGINAL: buckeye
If I never hear location, location, location here ever again I will die a happy man....
I wish people would stop using the location excuse (yes, I said excuse)and do what they need to do to get the job done.
Seriously, if you are unhappy about your location,either pipe down andplay the hand youwere dealt ordo something about it. Just my opinion
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If I never hear location, location, location here ever again I will die a happy man....
I wish people would stop using the location excuse (yes, I said excuse)and do what they need to do to get the job done.
Seriously, if you are unhappy about your location,either pipe down andplay the hand youwere dealt ordo something about it. Just my opinion
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04-24-2008, 09:48 PM
#34
Site Buck Guru
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Racine, Wisconsin
Posts: 5,922
RE: location.....
ORIGINAL: buckeye
If I never hear location, location, location here ever again I will die a happy man....
I wish people would stop using the location excuse (yes, I said excuse)and do what they need to do to get the job done.
Seriously, if you are unhappy about your location,either pipe down andplay the hand youwere dealt ordo something about it. Just my opinion
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If I never hear location, location, location here ever again I will die a happy man....
I wish people would stop using the location excuse (yes, I said excuse)and do what they need to do to get the job done.
Seriously, if you are unhappy about your location,either pipe down andplay the hand youwere dealt ordo something about it. Just my opinion
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04-25-2008, 05:07 AM
#35
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location:
Posts: 21,043
RE: location.....
I haven't read through all of this.....but I don't recall EVER "crying" or "complaining" about my "location". I've stated a simple FACT on here several times.
LOCATION is the NUMBER ONE ingredient for killing large racked bucks. Period.
I don't really know why some are threatned by that. If someone were to say...."The number one ingredient to killing a LOT of deer....is hunting where a LOT of deer call home"......I'd have no issues with that. I wouldn't, also, assume they were "crying" or "complaining". They're stating a simple FACT.
You could be the greatest hunter in the world.....fully dedicated to your passion......and hunt unfertile grounds. Go even further....and answer me this...
If the greatestPolar Bearhunter in the world tried his luck in Florida......what would be the outcome? Tell THAT guy that "dedication" and "experience" is No. 1.
It's NO CUT on anyone's hunting prowess when people mention "location" as the number one ingredient. It's a fact of life.
LOCATION is the NUMBER ONE ingredient for killing large racked bucks. Period.
I don't really know why some are threatned by that. If someone were to say...."The number one ingredient to killing a LOT of deer....is hunting where a LOT of deer call home"......I'd have no issues with that. I wouldn't, also, assume they were "crying" or "complaining". They're stating a simple FACT.
You could be the greatest hunter in the world.....fully dedicated to your passion......and hunt unfertile grounds. Go even further....and answer me this...
If the greatestPolar Bearhunter in the world tried his luck in Florida......what would be the outcome? Tell THAT guy that "dedication" and "experience" is No. 1
.It's NO CUT on anyone's hunting prowess when people mention "location" as the number one ingredient. It's a fact of life.
04-25-2008, 05:12 AM
#36
Host of Hosts
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Erie, Pennsylvania
Posts: 5,780
RE: location.....
Seriously, if you are unhappy about your location,either pipe down andplay the hand youwere dealt ordo something about it. Just my opinion
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That's exactly what I'm doing this year. I'm getting a group of PA guys to go out to Ohio to hunt deer. Probably about 20 of us.Then we're taking a trip to Lake Okechobee(sp) for some Large Bass
04-25-2008, 05:15 AM
#37
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location:
Posts: 21,043
RE: location.....
A great post by the late Atlasman on this subject....
Not to hard to tell the seasons are over in most places Just a matter of time before the scent lok and whisker biscuit threads start popping up [8D]
So we are debating location again huh??..........this has been going on for ages and will never stop I'm sure. After so many years of having this same discussion it is abundantly clear that what rubs everyone the wrong way is the hidden message in the debate..........those in prime locals feel slighted by the notion that their accomplishents are being diluted because of the suggestion that THEY are not the key to "success"...........and those in less friendly locals feel slighted because of the suggestion that THEY are the key to their "lack of success".This will probably never change.
Maybe the problem is the definition of "success" I shot two 3.5 year olds and one4.5 year old this year.........the 4.5 had the smallest rack of them all........+/- 100" and the other from NY is under 115" I'm sure. I shoot two deer that age in Kansas, Iowa, or Illinois and they would be 140"150" at least.........that is common sense based on what people describe as the "average" big deer for their areas. That is genetics and nutrition more then anything else.......so to compare deer based on racks only is about as useful as a rubber crutch. However, no one takes pictures of a deer's teeth or mounts jaw bones so I guess it's natural..........boys will be boys.
Here are some things to consider when wondering how important location is to putting a big rack on the ground.
In 20 years of hunting NY I have never even seen a deer that would make P+Y........3 days into an out of state hunt I had one on the ground.........you mean to tell me that is a coincidence?? Obviously my skills as a hunter were not the obstacle.
For somewhere in the ballpark of $2,500-$3,000 you can see and have legit shots to kill big deer EVERY year with your bow..........these are fair chase hunts. If you are average to above average in your skills you will have more heads then walls to hang them on. As the price goes up so do the rack sizes. $5,000 and 150" minimums are not uncommon out there.
When people pay the above quoted price it isn't to hunt the coast lines...........why?
Does anyone here REALLY think they couldn't kill a big deer on Hunsucker's land?? (Please don't turn this into an insult against Michael because it isn't)
Why does everyone want to know where greg hunts if location doesn't matter??
Why do greg and his friends (and everyone else with a brain) keep their mouth shut when they have a great place to hunt??
If someone called you tomorrow and offered you a lifelong chance to hunt Pike County would you be happy or sad??
Why do people guard their land so tightly if location doesn't matter??
Would POSTED signs even exist if location didn't matter??
Why do guys spend tens of thousands of dollars on hunting land??
Why are out of state licenses more in states with higher concentrations of big bucks??
Why is it that those who say location doesn't matter are always speaking from a location most would kill to be allowed to hunt??........the opposite of course being true as well.
Location matters...........A LOT.............Would greg and troy kill big deer wherever they lived?? Of course they would. Would their walls look different if they lived in Tampa??.........of course they would. Would I have bigger deer on the wall if I lived and hunted in the corn belt??.......of course I would.
You still have to know how to hunt and find these deer.........trying to find one in Florida is not the same as trying to find one in Kansas, I don't know how anyone could argue that point.
In closing.........I mentioned a few names in this post only because everyone knows them and nothing more. I am only gonna say this once.........I have nothing but the HIGHEST amount of respect for these guys as hunters and men and IN NO WAY included them in my write up to diminish what they have accomplished. I view them as fine hunters and excellent examples of the good in this sport.......I could have easily used other names in place of theirs so absolutely nothing personal should be implied.
I just find this discussion very interesting.
Just a matter of time before the scent lok and whisker biscuit threads start popping up [8D] So we are debating location again huh??..........this has been going on for ages and will never stop I'm sure. After so many years of having this same discussion it is abundantly clear that what rubs everyone the wrong way is the hidden message in the debate..........those in prime locals feel slighted by the notion that their accomplishents are being diluted because of the suggestion that THEY are not the key to "success"...........and those in less friendly locals feel slighted because of the suggestion that THEY are the key to their "lack of success".This will probably never change.
Maybe the problem is the definition of "success" I shot two 3.5 year olds and one4.5 year old this year.........the 4.5 had the smallest rack of them all........+/- 100" and the other from NY is under 115" I'm sure. I shoot two deer that age in Kansas, Iowa, or Illinois and they would be 140"150" at least.........that is common sense based on what people describe as the "average" big deer for their areas. That is genetics and nutrition more then anything else.......so to compare deer based on racks only is about as useful as a rubber crutch.
However, no one takes pictures of a deer's teeth or mounts jaw bones so I guess it's natural..........boys will be boys. Here are some things to consider when wondering how important location is to putting a big rack on the ground.
In 20 years of hunting NY I have never even seen a deer that would make P+Y........3 days into an out of state hunt I had one on the ground.........you mean to tell me that is a coincidence?? Obviously my skills as a hunter were not the obstacle.
For somewhere in the ballpark of $2,500-$3,000 you can see and have legit shots to kill big deer EVERY year with your bow..........these are fair chase hunts. If you are average to above average in your skills you will have more heads then walls to hang them on. As the price goes up so do the rack sizes. $5,000 and 150" minimums are not uncommon out there.
When people pay the above quoted price it isn't to hunt the coast lines...........why?
Does anyone here REALLY think they couldn't kill a big deer on Hunsucker's land?? (Please don't turn this into an insult against Michael because it isn't)
Why does everyone want to know where greg hunts if location doesn't matter??
Why do greg and his friends (and everyone else with a brain) keep their mouth shut when they have a great place to hunt??
If someone called you tomorrow and offered you a lifelong chance to hunt Pike County would you be happy or sad??
Why do people guard their land so tightly if location doesn't matter??
Would POSTED signs even exist if location didn't matter??
Why do guys spend tens of thousands of dollars on hunting land??
Why are out of state licenses more in states with higher concentrations of big bucks??
Why is it that those who say location doesn't matter are always speaking from a location most would kill to be allowed to hunt??........the opposite of course being true as well.
Location matters...........A LOT.............Would greg and troy kill big deer wherever they lived?? Of course they would. Would their walls look different if they lived in Tampa??.........of course they would. Would I have bigger deer on the wall if I lived and hunted in the corn belt??.......of course I would.
You still have to know how to hunt and find these deer.........trying to find one in Florida is not the same as trying to find one in Kansas, I don't know how anyone could argue that point.
In closing.........I mentioned a few names in this post only because everyone knows them and nothing more. I am only gonna say this once.........I have nothing but the HIGHEST amount of respect for these guys as hunters and men and IN NO WAY included them in my write up to diminish what they have accomplished. I view them as fine hunters and excellent examples of the good in this sport.......I could have easily used other names in place of theirs so absolutely nothing personal should be implied.
I just find this discussion very interesting.
04-25-2008, 05:23 AM
#38
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: May 2005
Location: One mile east of West Podunk Tx
Posts: 5,973
RE: location.....
I got forced into finding a better location and I went out and did so. I look forward to the coming season. The deer I'll be hunting in west Texas are generally larger than what I have hunted in east Texas. I'll still hunt close to home on a another new place. The population is pretty good at the place close to home but the deer are pressured quite a bit harder. There are less mature deer than I'll be after in west texas. I figure I'll fill my 3 doe tags in east Texas and go after mature bucks in west Texas. I'll have 2 buck tags. I have never hunted mature whitetails before. I have been a hunter of deer, period. Due to the new location I have a new opportunity.
04-25-2008, 05:49 AM
#39
Site Buck Guru
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Racine, Wisconsin
Posts: 5,922
RE: location.....
ORIGINAL: txjourneyman
I got forced into finding a better location and I went out and did so. I look forward to the coming season. The deer I'll be hunting in west Texas are generally larger than what I have hunted in east Texas. I'll still hunt close to home on a another new place. The population is pretty good at the place close to home but the deer are pressured quite a bit harder. There are less mature deer than I'll be after in west texas. I figure I'll fill my 3 doe tags in east Texas and go after mature bucks in west Texas. I'll have 2 buck tags. I have never hunted mature whitetails before. I have been a hunter of deer, period. Due to the new location I have a new opportunity.
I got forced into finding a better location and I went out and did so. I look forward to the coming season. The deer I'll be hunting in west Texas are generally larger than what I have hunted in east Texas. I'll still hunt close to home on a another new place. The population is pretty good at the place close to home but the deer are pressured quite a bit harder. There are less mature deer than I'll be after in west texas. I figure I'll fill my 3 doe tags in east Texas and go after mature bucks in west Texas. I'll have 2 buck tags. I have never hunted mature whitetails before. I have been a hunter of deer, period. Due to the new location I have a new opportunity.