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#13
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Calgary AB Canada
Posts: 59
RE: Shooting on a moving animal ?
My question is.... if you' ve tuned your bow to shoot " bullets" though paper while stationary, what will happen if you are swinging the bow along with the intended target? Will it not affect the arrow flight somewhat? My common sense says that even with a drop away rest, the arrow will still be affected by the motion of the bow and string line moving sideways while the arrow is being launched (OK, it' ll be very little sideways movement, but still..)
I can' t see any easy way of practicing this sort of shot, and even if you were able to practice the shot, who' s to say that a moving animal will present the same type of shot? What about the branches and other items that are out of your line of sight that you are concentrating on (but still moving towards along with the animal) that could deflect the arrow?
Too many variables too list in this kind of shot.
To each his own, but for me, I think I' ll try and stay with the shot that I practice - stationary targets, good sight lines, no movement of my body/bow.
Jim.
I can' t see any easy way of practicing this sort of shot, and even if you were able to practice the shot, who' s to say that a moving animal will present the same type of shot? What about the branches and other items that are out of your line of sight that you are concentrating on (but still moving towards along with the animal) that could deflect the arrow?
Too many variables too list in this kind of shot.
To each his own, but for me, I think I' ll try and stay with the shot that I practice - stationary targets, good sight lines, no movement of my body/bow.
Jim.
#15
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: MI USA
Posts: 280
RE: Shooting on a moving animal ?
No doubt about it, moving shots have a larger margin of error. Like you point out branches ect can get in your way, especially in low light when they are not as obvious. I have taken 2 deer when they were at a slow walk. I could not get either of them to stop, and was at low light, and didnt have time for them to hopefully come back and give a better opportunity. But let me say again is was a SLOW walk, and both were within 15 yds. I locked on the back edge of the shoulder blade and it landed just behind the shoulder and double lunged them on both occasions. I dont belive the sideways movement of the bow affected anything. This is only a guess, but I would say my broadhead only moved about a foot every 2 seconds to keep up with the deer 15yds away. If I had to swing the bow fast theres no way I would trust myself to take a shot. I dont care how big the animal.
#16
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: centerville pa. USA
Posts: 105
RE: Shooting on a moving animal ?
I personally would never shoot at a moving animal. I have shot several moving targets at 3-D shoots and novelty shoots, some hits, some misses. Hang a 3-D target on a wire to practice moving shots but I still wouldn' t take one.
#17
RE: Shooting on a moving animal ?
Here are a few numbers to think about,
I have computed how much a deer can actually move before an arrow gets to it. The numbers are based on a few things. First I used an average speed of an arrow at 280fps. That is a pretty fast average arrow flight. Please note that I used an average speed, because an arrow will decrease in speed after it is shot. Second the numbers are based on a deer at a steady walk of 4 mph and a slower walk of 2 mph. Again, it is assumed that the deer is walking an even pace. Here are the numbers:
20 yards, 4 mph, a deer can move 14.75 inches
20 yards, 2 mph, a deer can move 7.5 inches
30 yards, 4 mph, a deer can move 22.5 inches
30 yards, 2 mph, a deer can move 11.25 inches
Remember, these distances are computed from the time you release and the time the arrow hits the target. It doesn' t include your reaction time. which is generally at least .1 seconds.
Here is the computation if you are interested:
arrow traveling 280fps travels 60ft(20 yards) at .21 seconds (60ft/280fps)
arrow traveling 280fps travels 90ft(30 yards) at .32 seconds (90ft/280fps)
1 mile = 5280 feet
4mph=21120fph=352fpm=5.87fps
2mph=10560fph=176fpm=2.93fps
.21seconds times 5.87fps=1.23 feet per .21 seconds = 14.75 inches per .21 seconds (20 yard shot, deer walking at 4 mph)
.21 seconds times 2.93fps=.62 feet per .21 seconds = 7.5 inches per .21 seconds (20 yard shot, deer walking at 2 mph)
.32 seconds times 5.87fps = 1.878 feet per .32 seconds = 22.5 inches per .32 seconds (30 yard shot, deer walking at 4mph)
.32 seconds times 2.93fps = .9376 feet per .32 seconds = 11.25 inches per .32 seconds (30 yard shot, deer walking at 2 mph)
I have computed how much a deer can actually move before an arrow gets to it. The numbers are based on a few things. First I used an average speed of an arrow at 280fps. That is a pretty fast average arrow flight. Please note that I used an average speed, because an arrow will decrease in speed after it is shot. Second the numbers are based on a deer at a steady walk of 4 mph and a slower walk of 2 mph. Again, it is assumed that the deer is walking an even pace. Here are the numbers:
20 yards, 4 mph, a deer can move 14.75 inches
20 yards, 2 mph, a deer can move 7.5 inches
30 yards, 4 mph, a deer can move 22.5 inches
30 yards, 2 mph, a deer can move 11.25 inches
Remember, these distances are computed from the time you release and the time the arrow hits the target. It doesn' t include your reaction time. which is generally at least .1 seconds.
Here is the computation if you are interested:
arrow traveling 280fps travels 60ft(20 yards) at .21 seconds (60ft/280fps)
arrow traveling 280fps travels 90ft(30 yards) at .32 seconds (90ft/280fps)
1 mile = 5280 feet
4mph=21120fph=352fpm=5.87fps
2mph=10560fph=176fpm=2.93fps
.21seconds times 5.87fps=1.23 feet per .21 seconds = 14.75 inches per .21 seconds (20 yard shot, deer walking at 4 mph)
.21 seconds times 2.93fps=.62 feet per .21 seconds = 7.5 inches per .21 seconds (20 yard shot, deer walking at 2 mph)
.32 seconds times 5.87fps = 1.878 feet per .32 seconds = 22.5 inches per .32 seconds (30 yard shot, deer walking at 4mph)
.32 seconds times 2.93fps = .9376 feet per .32 seconds = 11.25 inches per .32 seconds (30 yard shot, deer walking at 2 mph)
#19
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Jamestown SC USA
Posts: 760
RE: Shooting on a moving animal ?
The last time I shot a moving target was at a 3D shoot. It was a deer target at less than 15 yards and moving slowly (so I thought). I aimed at his front shoulder and stuck him right in the rear hip. Archery gear is not made for moving targets.
#20
RE: Shooting on a moving animal ?
I wouldn' t take the shot. I have had animals in the past move as I released but this was before my Mathews FX and Simms products.
Many years ago, and I mean many, shots on slow moving animals were deregur (accepted) The great Howard Hill once said that the best way to shoot at a moving deer was a " Sustained Lead" held just under its lower jaw and the usual 1/3 of the way up from the belly. I have done it successfully on moving targets . . . but they' re just for fun and curiosity, not on animals!
Many years ago, and I mean many, shots on slow moving animals were deregur (accepted) The great Howard Hill once said that the best way to shoot at a moving deer was a " Sustained Lead" held just under its lower jaw and the usual 1/3 of the way up from the belly. I have done it successfully on moving targets . . . but they' re just for fun and curiosity, not on animals!