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Most lethal shot on a deer and why?
04-03-2008, 01:31 PM
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RE: Most lethal shot on a deer and why?
I look at it this way. If I hit either the heart or both lungs than I know for sure I have a dead deer. If I had to vote which would be the most lethal shot though, gotta say the heart but we all know the heart and both lungs are one in the same for lethality.
04-03-2008, 01:38 PM
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RE: Most lethal shot on a deer and why?
The quickest kill in my experience is the one that takes out the vessels at the top of the heart, not the heart itself.
Generally this is combined with a double lung hit but what puts the animal down so quickly is the complete removal of blood pressure and blood supply to the head/brain. The heart keeps beating butno oxygen rich bloodcan go to the head and the animal will black out incrediby fast.
A straight heart shot deer will generally run even further than a double lung because the blood pressure, blood loss happens at a comparatively slower rate than if you severe the high pressure vessels above the heart.
I actually even think ANY of the high pressure blood vessels might put a deer down quicker than a straight heart shot.....carotid, femoral etc.
That said a perfect solid double lung shot should rarely if EVER allow an animal to make it even 100 yards, and I think the distances vary between 30-40yds and close to a 100yds on average based soley on whether the animal had a full breath of air just prior to the arrow strike. This would keep the CO2 level down in the blood for a few seconds longer keeping the animal on it's feet a few seconds longer.........if the animal just let out a breath and you center punch the lungs I think the distance traveled will be much shorter.
Quickness of kill (animalexpiredfrom my experience)
1. Top/front of the heart/high pressure vessels combined with the front of thelungs obviously
2. Double lung / other high pressure arterial hit
3. Heart shot
4. Liver, lung
5. Liver
6. Liver Gut
7. Gut
One lung deer conceivably could survive the trauma so I din't rank it and since we're bowhunting, head shots are out and spine shots while requiring no tracking generally aren't an intended target.
Generally this is combined with a double lung hit but what puts the animal down so quickly is the complete removal of blood pressure and blood supply to the head/brain. The heart keeps beating butno oxygen rich bloodcan go to the head and the animal will black out incrediby fast.
A straight heart shot deer will generally run even further than a double lung because the blood pressure, blood loss happens at a comparatively slower rate than if you severe the high pressure vessels above the heart.
I actually even think ANY of the high pressure blood vessels might put a deer down quicker than a straight heart shot.....carotid, femoral etc.
That said a perfect solid double lung shot should rarely if EVER allow an animal to make it even 100 yards, and I think the distances vary between 30-40yds and close to a 100yds on average based soley on whether the animal had a full breath of air just prior to the arrow strike. This would keep the CO2 level down in the blood for a few seconds longer keeping the animal on it's feet a few seconds longer.........if the animal just let out a breath and you center punch the lungs I think the distance traveled will be much shorter.
Quickness of kill (animalexpiredfrom my experience)
1. Top/front of the heart/high pressure vessels combined with the front of thelungs obviously
2. Double lung / other high pressure arterial hit
3. Heart shot
4. Liver, lung
5. Liver
6. Liver Gut
7. Gut
One lung deer conceivably could survive the trauma so I din't rank it and since we're bowhunting, head shots are out and spine shots while requiring no tracking generally aren't an intended target.
04-03-2008, 01:43 PM
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RE: Most lethal shot on a deer and why?
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA
The quickest kill in my experience is the one that takes out the vessels at the top of the heart, not the heart itself.
Generally this is combined with a double lung hit but what puts the animal down so quickly is the complete removal of blood pressure and blood supply to the head/brain. The heart keeps beating butno oxygen rich bloodcan go to the head and the animal will black out incredible fast.
A straight heart shot deer will generally run even further than a double lung because the blood pressure, blood loss happens at a comparatively slower rate than if you severe the high pressure vessels above the heart.
I actually even think ANY of the high pressure blood vessels might put a deer down quicker than a straight heart shot.....carotid, femoral etc.
That said a perfect solid double lung shot should rarely if EVER allow an animal to make it even 100 yards, and I think the distances vary between 30-40yds and close to a 100yds based soley on whether the animal had a full breath of air just prior to the arrow strike. This would keep the CO2 level down in the blood for a few seconds longer keeping the animal on it's feet a few seconds longer.........if the animal just let out a breath and you center punch the lungs I think the distance traveled will be much shorter.
Quickness of kill (animalexpiredfrom my experience)
1. Top/front of the heart/high pressure vessels combined with the front of thelungs obviously
2. Double lung / other high pressure arterial hit
3. Heart shot
4. Liver, lung
5. Liver
6. Liver Gut
7. Gut
One lung deer conceivably could survive the trauma so I din't rank it and since we're bowhunting, head shots are out and spine shots while requiring no tracking generally aren't an intended target.
The quickest kill in my experience is the one that takes out the vessels at the top of the heart, not the heart itself.
Generally this is combined with a double lung hit but what puts the animal down so quickly is the complete removal of blood pressure and blood supply to the head/brain. The heart keeps beating butno oxygen rich bloodcan go to the head and the animal will black out incredible fast.
A straight heart shot deer will generally run even further than a double lung because the blood pressure, blood loss happens at a comparatively slower rate than if you severe the high pressure vessels above the heart.
I actually even think ANY of the high pressure blood vessels might put a deer down quicker than a straight heart shot.....carotid, femoral etc.
That said a perfect solid double lung shot should rarely if EVER allow an animal to make it even 100 yards, and I think the distances vary between 30-40yds and close to a 100yds based soley on whether the animal had a full breath of air just prior to the arrow strike. This would keep the CO2 level down in the blood for a few seconds longer keeping the animal on it's feet a few seconds longer.........if the animal just let out a breath and you center punch the lungs I think the distance traveled will be much shorter.
Quickness of kill (animalexpiredfrom my experience)
1. Top/front of the heart/high pressure vessels combined with the front of thelungs obviously
2. Double lung / other high pressure arterial hit
3. Heart shot
4. Liver, lung
5. Liver
6. Liver Gut
7. Gut
One lung deer conceivably could survive the trauma so I din't rank it and since we're bowhunting, head shots are out and spine shots while requiring no tracking generally aren't an intended target.
So my official reply to this thread is....."what Matt said"
04-03-2008, 01:45 PM
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Location: Central Minnesota
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RE: Most lethal shot on a deer and why?
ORIGINAL: BigJ71
You saved me a lot of typing Matt.......very nice.....very nice indeed.
So my official reply to this thread is....."what Matt said"
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA
The quickest kill in my experience is the one that takes out the vessels at the top of the heart, not the heart itself.
Generally this is combined with a double lung hit but what puts the animal down so quickly is the complete removal of blood pressure and blood supply to the head/brain. The heart keeps beating butno oxygen rich bloodcan go to the head and the animal will black out incredible fast.
A straight heart shot deer will generally run even further than a double lung because the blood pressure, blood loss happens at a comparatively slower rate than if you severe the high pressure vessels above the heart.
I actually even think ANY of the high pressure blood vessels might put a deer down quicker than a straight heart shot.....carotid, femoral etc.
That said a perfect solid double lung shot should rarely if EVER allow an animal to make it even 100 yards, and I think the distances vary between 30-40yds and close to a 100yds based soley on whether the animal had a full breath of air just prior to the arrow strike. This would keep the CO2 level down in the blood for a few seconds longer keeping the animal on it's feet a few seconds longer.........if the animal just let out a breath and you center punch the lungs I think the distance traveled will be much shorter.
Quickness of kill (animalexpiredfrom my experience)
1. Top/front of the heart/high pressure vessels combined with the front of thelungs obviously
2. Double lung / other high pressure arterial hit
3. Heart shot
4. Liver, lung
5. Liver
6. Liver Gut
7. Gut
One lung deer conceivably could survive the trauma so I din't rank it and since we're bowhunting, head shots are out and spine shots while requiring no tracking generally aren't an intended target.
The quickest kill in my experience is the one that takes out the vessels at the top of the heart, not the heart itself.
Generally this is combined with a double lung hit but what puts the animal down so quickly is the complete removal of blood pressure and blood supply to the head/brain. The heart keeps beating butno oxygen rich bloodcan go to the head and the animal will black out incredible fast.
A straight heart shot deer will generally run even further than a double lung because the blood pressure, blood loss happens at a comparatively slower rate than if you severe the high pressure vessels above the heart.
I actually even think ANY of the high pressure blood vessels might put a deer down quicker than a straight heart shot.....carotid, femoral etc.
That said a perfect solid double lung shot should rarely if EVER allow an animal to make it even 100 yards, and I think the distances vary between 30-40yds and close to a 100yds based soley on whether the animal had a full breath of air just prior to the arrow strike. This would keep the CO2 level down in the blood for a few seconds longer keeping the animal on it's feet a few seconds longer.........if the animal just let out a breath and you center punch the lungs I think the distance traveled will be much shorter.
Quickness of kill (animalexpiredfrom my experience)
1. Top/front of the heart/high pressure vessels combined with the front of thelungs obviously
2. Double lung / other high pressure arterial hit
3. Heart shot
4. Liver, lung
5. Liver
6. Liver Gut
7. Gut
One lung deer conceivably could survive the trauma so I din't rank it and since we're bowhunting, head shots are out and spine shots while requiring no tracking generally aren't an intended target.
So my official reply to this thread is....."what Matt said"
04-03-2008, 01:46 PM
#6
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Location: Racine, Wisconsin
Posts: 5,922
RE: Most lethal shot on a deer and why?
ORIGINAL: BigJ71
You saved me a lot of typing Matt.......very nice.....very nice indeed.
So my official reply to this thread is....."what Matt said"
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA
The quickest kill in my experience is the one that takes out the vessels at the top of the heart, not the heart itself.
Generally this is combined with a double lung hit but what puts the animal down so quickly is the complete removal of blood pressure and blood supply to the head/brain. The heart keeps beating butno oxygen rich bloodcan go to the head and the animal will black out incredible fast.
A straight heart shot deer will generally run even further than a double lung because the blood pressure, blood loss happens at a comparatively slower rate than if you severe the high pressure vessels above the heart.
I actually even think ANY of the high pressure blood vessels might put a deer down quicker than a straight heart shot.....carotid, femoral etc.
That said a perfect solid double lung shot should rarely if EVER allow an animal to make it even 100 yards, and I think the distances vary between 30-40yds and close to a 100yds based soley on whether the animal had a full breath of air just prior to the arrow strike. This would keep the CO2 level down in the blood for a few seconds longer keeping the animal on it's feet a few seconds longer.........if the animal just let out a breath and you center punch the lungs I think the distance traveled will be much shorter.
Quickness of kill (animalexpiredfrom my experience)
1. Top/front of the heart/high pressure vessels combined with the front of thelungs obviously
2. Double lung / other high pressure arterial hit
3. Heart shot
4. Liver, lung
5. Liver
6. Liver Gut
7. Gut
One lung deer conceivably could survive the trauma so I din't rank it and since we're bowhunting, head shots are out and spine shots while requiring no tracking generally aren't an intended target.
The quickest kill in my experience is the one that takes out the vessels at the top of the heart, not the heart itself.
Generally this is combined with a double lung hit but what puts the animal down so quickly is the complete removal of blood pressure and blood supply to the head/brain. The heart keeps beating butno oxygen rich bloodcan go to the head and the animal will black out incredible fast.
A straight heart shot deer will generally run even further than a double lung because the blood pressure, blood loss happens at a comparatively slower rate than if you severe the high pressure vessels above the heart.
I actually even think ANY of the high pressure blood vessels might put a deer down quicker than a straight heart shot.....carotid, femoral etc.
That said a perfect solid double lung shot should rarely if EVER allow an animal to make it even 100 yards, and I think the distances vary between 30-40yds and close to a 100yds based soley on whether the animal had a full breath of air just prior to the arrow strike. This would keep the CO2 level down in the blood for a few seconds longer keeping the animal on it's feet a few seconds longer.........if the animal just let out a breath and you center punch the lungs I think the distance traveled will be much shorter.
Quickness of kill (animalexpiredfrom my experience)
1. Top/front of the heart/high pressure vessels combined with the front of thelungs obviously
2. Double lung / other high pressure arterial hit
3. Heart shot
4. Liver, lung
5. Liver
6. Liver Gut
7. Gut
One lung deer conceivably could survive the trauma so I din't rank it and since we're bowhunting, head shots are out and spine shots while requiring no tracking generally aren't an intended target.
So my official reply to this thread is....."what Matt said"
04-03-2008, 01:51 PM
#8
Giant Nontypical
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Location: Dover, PA USA
Posts: 5,497
RE: Most lethal shot on a deer and why?
Most lethal shot I've ever seen, not counting a brain shot.
If you want to see a PERFECT example of this hit watch the newest Primos Bowhunting video #4. Will Primos shoots a buck facing to the left in this exact spot. The shot looks a tad forward but trust me it's not. IMO it'sa prefect hit but doesn't give you quite the margin for error that a higher, slightly further back double lung shot will.
Anyway the deer is hit and sprints off maybe 20 yards and just CRASHES into a small tree and flips over dead in some water. I'm talking 2 seconds TOPS and that deer is on the ground.
04-03-2008, 01:57 PM
#10
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RE: Most lethal shot on a deer and why?
Yeah but we're talking most lethal here, right? I guess the most lethal shot doesn't always equal the quickest kill?
A lethal shot is a lethal shot but what makes one different than the other is the speed at which it will do it's job.