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Is PA better hunting after the AR and Doe regulation change
04-02-2008, 12:03 PM
#31
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Phoenixville, PA USA
Posts: 5,541
RE: Is PA better hunting after the AR and Doe regulation change
Fran, what you've said is all true, and Jim touched on the big problem. Those 4 dirty little letters D C N R. That's who is tugging on the puppet strings of the PGC and as long as they have influence it will be a problem. I would love to see Penn State get a commission to do state wide analysis for the PGC and a proposal for management. Hell, we had a genius here in Alt and the old-timers and DCNR ran him out of town.
Any place I have seen that has gotten a PSU assessment and development plan has seen excellent results in short time. I can tell you first hand why that is.
Any place I have seen that has gotten a PSU assessment and development plan has seen excellent results in short time. I can tell you first hand why that is.
04-02-2008, 12:31 PM
#32
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Howard PA USA
Posts: 2,221
RE: Is PA better hunting after the AR and Doe regulation change
ORIGINAL: HuntingBry
Fran, what you've said is all true, and Jim touched on the big problem. Those 4 dirty little letters D C N R. That's who is tugging on the puppet strings of the PGC and as long as they have influence it will be a problem. I would love to see Penn State get a commission to do state wide analysis for the PGC and a proposal for management. Hell, we had a genius here in Alt and the old-timers and DCNR ran him out of town.
Any place I have seen that has gotten a PSU assessment and development plan has seen excellent results in short time. I can tell you first hand why that is.
Fran, what you've said is all true, and Jim touched on the big problem. Those 4 dirty little letters D C N R. That's who is tugging on the puppet strings of the PGC and as long as they have influence it will be a problem. I would love to see Penn State get a commission to do state wide analysis for the PGC and a proposal for management. Hell, we had a genius here in Alt and the old-timers and DCNR ran him out of town.
Any place I have seen that has gotten a PSU assessment and development plan has seen excellent results in short time. I can tell you first hand why that is.
04-02-2008, 02:02 PM
#33
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Mont County, Pa
Posts: 7,368
RE: Is PA better hunting after the AR and Doe regulation change
I think the answer to that will differ greatly depending on who you ask, and where they hunt. Insome areas they'veallowed too many doe to be killed for sure. The area I hunt in 5-D, has plenty of deer but next to no public land/hunting pressure.This is partly why there's too many. Most people won't allow hunting on their land.
The AR's have worked, no dought. I see more bigger bucks than in years past. Honestly.
The AR's have worked, no dought. I see more bigger bucks than in years past. Honestly.
04-02-2008, 02:20 PM
#34
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Southampton Pa BUCKS CO
Posts: 2,492
RE: Is PA better hunting after the AR and Doe regulation change
I believe the AR are working, but they did shoot to manydoe in the North countys. I do most of my hunting in the southeast and there is plenty of deer where I hunt BUT!!!! The township that I do alot of my hunting has hired snipers to thin out the herd. Last year they shot over 500 deer Bucks,Does and fawns it don't matter they get paid by the deer. They don't care what they shoot. The part that really burns me is the Pgc sold to us that the herd needs to be reduced, which I believe was true. They forpushed AR and to get away with the brown its down mentality, which I like and have no proplem with. THEN the let these snipers come in and shoot the mature bucks that the AR were starting to produce. Thats just great. Lets start AR for bigger bucks then let the snipers with rifles shoot them for money[:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@]!!!!!!!!!!!! Up north where I hunt the deer numbers are way down! The rifle hunters shot them out. When the rolled they Doe hunting with the 2 week Buck season that was the begining of the end for the deer herd in the Big woods of Pa. In our deer camp up north we buy doe tags but never use them. The biggest problem I see in PA is they need a Licsense $$$ increase in the worst way. They are almost broke and if the state takes it over Pa hunting will go down the tubes. WE NEED A LICSENSE INCREASE NOW!!!!!!!!
? Where have you gone Dr Gary Alt!!!!!
Hatchet Jack
? Where have you gone Dr Gary Alt!!!!!
Hatchet Jack
04-02-2008, 02:38 PM
#35
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Mont County, Pa
Posts: 7,368
RE: Is PA better hunting after the AR and Doe regulation change
Everything you said is spot on, hatchet. I couldn't agree more with the license cost increase. That will thin the herd of hunters.
04-02-2008, 02:39 PM
#36
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Howard PA USA
Posts: 2,221
RE: Is PA better hunting after the AR and Doe regulation change
ORIGINAL: hatchet jack
I believe the AR are working, but they did shoot to manydoe in the North countys. I do most of my hunting in the southeast and there is plenty of deer where I hunt BUT!!!! The township that I do alot of my hunting has hired snipers to thin out the herd. Last year they shot over 500 deer Bucks,Does and fawns it don't matter they get paid by the deer. They don't care what they shoot. The part that really burns me is the Pgc sold to us that the herd needs to be reduced, which I believe was true. They forpushed AR and to get away with the brown its down mentality, which I like and have no proplem with. THEN the let these snipers come in and shoot the mature bucks that the AR were starting to produce. Thats just great. Lets start AR for bigger bucks then let the snipers with rifles shoot them for money[:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@]!!!!!!!!!!!! Up north where I hunt the deer numbers are way down! The rifle hunters shot them out. When the rolled they Doe hunting with the 2 week Buck season that was the begining of the end for the deer herd in the Big woods of Pa. In our deer camp up north we buy doe tags but never use them. The biggest problem I see in PA is they need a Licsense $$$ increase in the worst way. They are almost broke and if the state takes it over Pa hunting will go down the tubes. WE NEED A LICSENSE INCREASE NOW!!!!!!!!
? Where have you gone Dr Gary Alt!!!!!
Hatchet Jack
I believe the AR are working, but they did shoot to manydoe in the North countys. I do most of my hunting in the southeast and there is plenty of deer where I hunt BUT!!!! The township that I do alot of my hunting has hired snipers to thin out the herd. Last year they shot over 500 deer Bucks,Does and fawns it don't matter they get paid by the deer. They don't care what they shoot. The part that really burns me is the Pgc sold to us that the herd needs to be reduced, which I believe was true. They forpushed AR and to get away with the brown its down mentality, which I like and have no proplem with. THEN the let these snipers come in and shoot the mature bucks that the AR were starting to produce. Thats just great. Lets start AR for bigger bucks then let the snipers with rifles shoot them for money[:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@]!!!!!!!!!!!! Up north where I hunt the deer numbers are way down! The rifle hunters shot them out. When the rolled they Doe hunting with the 2 week Buck season that was the begining of the end for the deer herd in the Big woods of Pa. In our deer camp up north we buy doe tags but never use them. The biggest problem I see in PA is they need a Licsense $$$ increase in the worst way. They are almost broke and if the state takes it over Pa hunting will go down the tubes. WE NEED A LICSENSE INCREASE NOW!!!!!!!!
? Where have you gone Dr Gary Alt!!!!!
Hatchet Jack
04-02-2008, 03:16 PM
#37
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ohio
Posts: 7,876
RE: Is PA better hunting after the AR and Doe regulation change
year total buck harvest % 2.5 year old +
1996--------153,432-------------16.2------------------------24,856
1997--------176,677-------------18.6------------------------32,862
1998--------181,449-------------19.4------------------------35,201
1999--------194,371-------------20.0------------------------38,874
2000--------203,221-------------18.3------------------------37,189
2001--------203,247-------------21.6------------------------43,901
2002--------165,416-------------31.8------------------------52,602
2003--------142,270-------------43.6------------------------62,030
2004--------124,410-------------50.2------------------------62,399
2005--------120,500------------~49%-----------------------~59,045
2006--------135290--------------44%------------------------59,527
2007---------109,200-------------44%-----------------------48,048
Here's some facts. Many button bucks were shot due to the lack of does to shoot. Total 2.5+ harvest down 10,000 in one year and 4000+ less than 2002 the start of it all.
1996--------153,432-------------16.2------------------------24,856
1997--------176,677-------------18.6------------------------32,862
1998--------181,449-------------19.4------------------------35,201
1999--------194,371-------------20.0------------------------38,874
2000--------203,221-------------18.3------------------------37,189
2001--------203,247-------------21.6------------------------43,901
2002--------165,416-------------31.8------------------------52,602
2003--------142,270-------------43.6------------------------62,030
2004--------124,410-------------50.2------------------------62,399
2005--------120,500------------~49%-----------------------~59,045
2006--------135290--------------44%------------------------59,527
2007---------109,200-------------44%-----------------------48,048
Here's some facts. Many button bucks were shot due to the lack of does to shoot. Total 2.5+ harvest down 10,000 in one year and 4000+ less than 2002 the start of it all.
04-02-2008, 03:47 PM
#39
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Heaven is my home, temporarily residing in WNY :)
Posts: 6,679
RE: Is PA better hunting after the AR and Doe regulation change
ORIGINAL: rybohunter
Might help of those columns had some headers
Might help of those columns had some headers
04-02-2008, 03:48 PM
#40
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Southwestern, Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,059
RE: Is PA better hunting after the AR and Doe regulation change
The answer to this question is HELL YES! To put it as simple as you can, PA hunters are seeing BIGGER and BETTER deer! Don't let the "bug" epidemic last year indicate how the PA hunting has been going, it's the BEST thing that they have done to assure of us of nicer deer. The only thing that I wish the game officials would change in PA is, the damn split season crap. The hunting starts to "heat up" and then they take archery season away until a day after Christmas, that really blows.