bloodcrick

Nope not me, that would be hard to hold your tounge.

MeanV2

Git ya Sum o them Duke boy arrows. They tenderize'em and cook'em when they hit

Dan

Schultzy

I'd buy his second comment in a heartbeat with some people!! You think people will admit it Jeff? Not a chance they would admit it, not a chance!!

Charlie P

How do you come to that conclusion?

Matt / PA

It's pretty obvious isn't it? The shoulder is high and forward and in actuality doesn't cover up much of the vitals to begin with on a broadside shot (Unless you are at a steep angle) and basically nothing on a quartering away shot.
However everything from the diaphragm back is a vital organ.... liver, stomach, kidneys etc.

Are you seriously going to try and argue that the shoulder is more of a consideration at about the size of your hand vs EVERYTHING that lies from the diaphragm to the hindquarters? (including possibly the femoral artery IN the hindquarters).

The shoulder is the exception if you are taking responsible shots and is a much smaller surface area when compared to everything behind the lungs.
We shade away from the shoulder when we aim for a reason......

In 40+ deer shot with a bow I have never hit the shoulder blade yet.......I have made a couple not so stellar hits the other way, liver, liver/guts, guts, liver/1 lung by just pulling a little too far off the ribs or having an animaltake a stepforward at the shot.
They generally don't take a step backwards..........they move forward at all and the arrow goes BACK, not front.

Charlie P

Did I argue anything? Asked a simple question, sorry if it should have been so obvious. Forgive me please I thought we were talking about the entire shoulder. Please don't take away my Corporate staff credentials.

I see about an equal amount of lost deer threads from people hitting shoulder as they do hitting back.

Little touchy?

in the 75 -85 I've killed with a bow I lost one with a shoulder hit(mini blaster)but have never lost one hitting it in the liver or the gut or a one lunger.

They do south of the equator, same priciple as the water going down your sink.

Matt / PA

Nope we're on the same page........I just don't understand how people are hitting the shoulder blade consistently? I hear it too. I almost think there are people who are quicker to admit that they hit a deer in the shoulder than accept or admit hitting it in the guts. It just doesn't bear out for me or apparently you as well Charlie and that's a lot of shooting between us!.

Seriously how can it be coincidence that between you and I we have something like 125 deer to our creditand 1....just one lost animal due to a shoulder hit and neither has lost one hitting them farther back. I've never even hit a single deer in the shoulder blade myself.

Who are all these shoulder shooting people? LOL

Just within our sample alone there is evidence enough thata person'sfocus in choosing a broadhead should be shooting the biggest cutting diameterto the point ofstill being assured of excellent penetration. The focus should be on damaging as much tissue as we can with only a slight consideration at best given to how they will perform on bone. Like I said the shoulder is the exception. If you are going to plan for something bad at least in mine and your experience which is a lot of dead animals..........plan for a soft tissue hit and shoot a head that will take out as much as possible.
If that means an 1 1/8" fixed head for one guy then that's what he should shoot, if it means a 2" cut 4 blade mech for me because I have oodles of energy to spare then that's what I should shoot.
The only higher priorities are making sure they are sharp and coming from a tuned set up.

MeanV2

Noexcuse for losing a Deer hit too far back unless you don't know how to handle the situation or possibly rain. When people lose Deer they shot too far back it's because they did the wrong thing not because of what Broadhead they did or did not shoot

Dan

jmbuckhunter

The size of my broadhead will never influence which shots I do or do not take.

But I sure like the damage done by the Rage 2 Blade. It is nice to have the extra cutting dia on those shots that don't end up exactly where you wanted it.

Before I shot the Rage I used the Rocket Hammerhead, a 2" 3 blade head. They were devestating also. But the Rage is a much better built head, and I have been able to reuse it after shooting my deer.