MeanV2

No disrespect meant but when major bone is encountered I consider that operator error. I've had it, sounds like you've had it, honestly most have probably had it whether they admit or not. Personally I would not blame my broadhead for such a lose.

Dan

TFOX

None taken,I actually meant to add that in my response,it is definately operator error but 99% of reported mechanical failures are the same.

TFOX

BUT,I can say with almost certanty that my Rocket Steelheads would have continued through this animal and I would have retrieved it,I say ALMOST because there is no way to know for sure.

Hoytail Hunter

At first there were gonna be 2 things determining penetration then in the immediate sentence following it becomes "the width of that cut alone"? I'm not trying to be difficult or anything negative here but I just don't understand that. It's either one thing or it's two things, not both.

And, I think ferrule design has to be a contributing factor to overall penetration. You cannot tell me that you can plunge a butter knife into aside of beefas easily as you can with a sharp pointed pick of some sort. Whether the difference is negligible or not, there is a definite difference in the coefficient of friction between a smooth slender ferrule versus a fat lumpy awkward one that's filled with screw hole recesses. And yes it's true that holes open up wider than the ferrule almost immediately butthe fact remainsthat those blade making those holes are still at all times,BEHIND the ferrule. If the ferrule stops pushing, the blades quit cutting. This is why I think the ferrule has to push as efficiently as possible so that the blades can do their jobs too.

I'm talking about actual cutting surface. I think you're talking about cutting diameter and mixing the two. So yes, unless I understand incorrectly, a 3 blade 1 3/8" cd has more cutting surface than a 2 blade 2" cd. More cutting surface still requires more push behind it to penetrate the same depth. This is why I think the Rage is not as efficient as it could be considering the Grim Reaper has more cutting surface yet will push further.

Matt/PA ,though it didnudge that part of your post a little off topic, thanks for the tutorial on mechanical broadheads. I'm sure I'll be running into questions only guysof your experiencecan answeronce I start shooting the Reapers this fall. I'm glad you chimed in becausewhere I wanted to go with this was exactly what you talked about.... DESIGN and affects of design.

In caseI cameoff the wrong way to anyone, let me say that this is a learning process for me as I'm sure it is for all of you. My views are merely that and if you can explain things in a way that makes me see the laws of physics differently, I'd be obliged to hear it.

HTH

Schultzy

For one thing there not that strong of a head.

Schultzy

I think a big reason too why people try different things out is how they look. These mechanical heads are ugly mean looking things. Regardless if they work or not people are going to try them because of there looks. Its a big reason why I shoot a 3 blade snuffer, that BH looks mean but its also been around for years and its an excellent BH.

TEmbry

I agree that rage is advertised to the extreme. But that doesnt sway all people into trying them, just the uninformed masses of people.

I am trying them this year just because of the overwhelming good reports on them from trusted members on this sight. Like the Preach said, heck Jeff's success photos alone make me want to try these heads out.

If shooting over a certain KE (I think my new arrows put me just over 80 ft/lbs), you wont get penetration issues on a shot put where it needs to go, no matter what head is on the end of your arrow. Keep em sharp, place your shots well, and you can shoot ANY BH you so choose.

Rickmur

I know of at least a few elk guides and proably more than a few that I don't know ofthat won't even allow expandables in camp. Must be a reason for that huh ?

Cougar Mag

No it isn't and I have nothing against Rage. I was makingthatpoint because itsa slightly different but similiar head to the Rocky Mtn. Snyper. While I believe the Rocky Mtn. brand heads to besuperior broadheads, if the Rage wasn't under a name by itself I don't believe as many people would be tryingthem if they were marketed under Rocky Mtn. Same company(Field Logic)I believe, I know they have the same address. As I said, Rocky Mtn. has always made superior heads and I use them myself(Turbo or Blitz) so its not a shock to me that the Rage brand has been seemingly successful.

m9a9g9i9c

hi fellas, great reading here but, two remarks from my part,

First of all, about the tip of broadheads compared to nails.
The tip of a nail is a very old design and it comes from the romans. Somewhere down the line armies started using armor and armor didn't give good penetration with rounded points, too much material had to be pushed inwords, so smart people who didn't have armor, spent there time smashing points into armor, mainly bronze and that time....
And they found that a square point neatly pushed a square hole in any armor at that time ( better than three sides, older spearpoints had sometimes 3 sides )
Roman spears and javalins had that square tip long since they found it going through there armor, even the leather patches binding them.
The nail is a whole different story, the tip of it had two reasons, first to go through the material without splitting it too much and second making it easy to obtain such sharpness in an easy way of making millions............
A nail has grip because of the length you can hamer in, the longer the nail, the more grip
and grip has a lot to do with the material you're driving the nail into as well.....
So I hope they copied the nail's head for a good reason.

there's my piece of knowledge

Frank