Brace Height Question - Airborne Speed?
#31
RE: Brace Height Question - Airborne Speed?
I absolutely agree. I shot the 82nd at 27(correct dl) and the 101 at 27.5(.5 too long). I dont necessarily know that the .5 felt way out for me, just different, like valley starting later. Aside from that I dont know if I felt that one was more forgiving than the other in the short amount of time I tried them. They were both outstanding.
ORIGINAL: MeanV2
It is important to shoot the bows at your draw length to get an accurate feel for them, any of the Bowtechs.
When at all possible!
Dan
ORIGINAL: loogout1
I shot both only a dozen times or so each, and couldn't really find too much difference in the 2 except one was slightly long on me. I shoot 27 and the 101 starts at 27.5. As far as camo options, you cant get them in Predator either. Wont stop me from buying one.
I shot both only a dozen times or so each, and couldn't really find too much difference in the 2 except one was slightly long on me. I shoot 27 and the 101 starts at 27.5. As far as camo options, you cant get them in Predator either. Wont stop me from buying one.
When at all possible!
Dan
#32
RE: Brace Height Question - Airborne Speed?
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
ok Dan .... why?
ORIGINAL: MeanV2
Matt, in response to your post I have always advocated that shorter draw guys can get away with lower brace heights and slightly shorter A to A and still have the same amount of forgivness in a bow all else being equal
Dan
Matt, in response to your post I have always advocated that shorter draw guys can get away with lower brace heights and slightly shorter A to A and still have the same amount of forgivness in a bow all else being equal
Dan
That statement comes from shooting archery and being around a lot of others shooting for 40+ years. I shot short brace height bows for years and shot them as well as I am capable of.
All this said, but you stillwon't get my Guardian away from me. It is a Blast to shoot and I can shoot groups seemingly effortless with it. Yeah I'll probably be packin the Airborne Mule Deer hunting next fall when a 50 yard shot is not out of the question, but my Guardian and General will find their way in a Tree or Blind with me quite a bit.
Of that I am sure!
Dan
#33
RE: Brace Height Question - Airborne Speed?
ORIGINAL: Washington Hunter
I've shot both.
The 82nd seemed no less forgiving than the 101st.
It should be, but wasn't.
I've shot both.
The 82nd seemed no less forgiving than the 101st.
It should be, but wasn't.
Did you try to purposely torque the grip or try to push a shot into the middle like tends to happen way to often in the woods or on the range?
IMO,brace should always be considered when choosing a bow for any venue.The string suppresors will all but eliminate the issue with clothing contact from the short brace but there is always a chance of making a less than perfect shot.
I know I say the word forgiveness all the time to the point of redundancy but it is crucial for me.I am not that good to where I can forget about it and I am better than average.I find it interesting that pros usually choose higher brace bows to hunt with and they are the best in the world.
So to answer the question,the higher brace is inheritantly more forgiving but that really isn't the same as accurate.So is a longer a-a bow.The trick is to find the happy medium for your style of hunting.
I prefer over 7" brace with little reflex,no more than a 1 1/4 and atleast a 36" a-a.After I look at those numbers,I then look at the ibo.
Of course,the shorter the draw length gets,the shorter the brace and a-a can get and allow for the same amount of forgiveness due to the shorter power stroke and the opposite is true for longer draw archers.
#34
RE: Brace Height Question - Airborne Speed?
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA
Ok here's abrain teaserquestion for any who care.........given the same amount of reflex in the riser (which is a given since both have the same riser)
Which bowshould be more forgiving with relation to brace height.........and what is it exactly about a higher brace height that makes it more forgiving?
Bow A) 101st Airborne at 30" draw length
Bow B) 82nd Airborne at 27" draw length
Ok here's abrain teaserquestion for any who care.........given the same amount of reflex in the riser (which is a given since both have the same riser)
Which bowshould be more forgiving with relation to brace height.........and what is it exactly about a higher brace height that makes it more forgiving?
Bow A) 101st Airborne at 30" draw length
Bow B) 82nd Airborne at 27" draw length
The other is it is easier to torque the limb tips when the brace is decreased,due to having more leverage to manipulate them.
In your example,as I stated in my last response,they should just about cancell each other out due to power stroke.I doubt that it would be completely cancelled out though.
#35
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TFOX, what do you mean by "push a shot into the middle?" If a 7" brace is acceptable to you at your dl, what would you consider acceptable or forgiving at 27"?
#36
RE: Brace Height Question - Airborne Speed?
ORIGINAL: loogout1
TFOX, what do you mean by "push a shot into the middle?" If a 7" brace is acceptable to you at your dl, what would you consider acceptable or forgiving at 27"?
TFOX, what do you mean by "push a shot into the middle?" If a 7" brace is acceptable to you at your dl, what would you consider acceptable or forgiving at 27"?
Pushing the shot off is getting close to the spot with the pin and forcing the pin into the middle and squeezing.This is referred to as a command shot ,REAL CLOSE to a punch.
The problem is that most hunters shoot this way and don't even realize it is wrong.
#37
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This may sound stupid but what is the correct way? I would imagine it would involve holding your pin steady on your intended target and pulling thru the shot, squeezing the release with BT.
#38
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ORIGINAL: loogout1
This may sound stupid but what is the correct way? I would imagine it would involve holding your pin steady on your intended target and pulling thru the shot, squeezing the release with BT.
This may sound stupid but what is the correct way? I would imagine it would involve holding your pin steady on your intended target and pulling thru the shot, squeezing the release with BT.
#39
RE: Brace Height Question - Airborne Speed?
Power stroke is one,shorter brace has a longer power stroke,that creates more time for mistakes to happen and affect the outcome.
The other is it is easier to torque the limb tips when the brace is decreased,due to having more leverage to manipulate them.
In your example,as I stated in my last response,they should just about cancell each other out due to power stroke.I doubt that it would be completely cancelled out though.
The other is it is easier to torque the limb tips when the brace is decreased,due to having more leverage to manipulate them.
In your example,as I stated in my last response,they should just about cancell each other out due to power stroke.I doubt that it would be completely cancelled out though.
I just see too many people blindly throw generalizations out there about certain topics without really considering how they relate to the miriad of variables created by the fact that we are all for the most part different. Diffferent in size, expereince, ability etc etc.
You have someone see a brace height number of 6 1/8" and they are instantly fed the line......."Oh you don't want that it's not forgiving to shoot"...........Not forgiving compared to what?
If you take that guy with the 27" draw length what would he gain by listening to that logic and chosing the slower 7 1/4" brace height bow when compared to me with a 30" draw length?
Even though I'm theoretically shooting the more forgiving bow with the 1" higher brace height, the shorter draw length archer (again in theory) will come out on top by choosing the shorter brace height bow.
Since our draw lengths are 3" different and the brace heights are 1" different, when the smoke clears he has a theoretical 1" brace height / powerstroke / length of time on the string advantage over ME and didn't have to give up 10fps in the process.
Thats where a short brace height speed bow has lots of merit, it allows shorter draw length archers to compete on a level playing field in venues where speed is an advantage such as 3D or wanting more energy for hunting situations.