Schultzy

You haven't a clue on what your talking about when it comes to the P@Y! Not one bit what so ever!!!!!!!!!

GrumpyTom

I never said that you were a liar ............... I said that you were refuring to me as a LIAR or on LA LA LAND ........... which was your statement . not mine.I also did not call you ignorant ........ I said that your ignorance is misleading others. What that means is that you do have a LACK OF KNOWLEDGE on a certain topic. THere is a major difference between the two.

I guess that might be just too much for someone like you to understand.

GrumpyTom

THen if I do not ......... then why do you not educate me as to why they changed their rules and why they do not reconize animals larger then what they reconize (even thought they would normally qualify.

Answe my questions about them and educate me..................... but I also see that everyone still wants to forget about my other questions EH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SteveBNy

Drawing a 85% let off compound (you know - real bow)in a pop up blind with mesh windows is totally different?

Sitting 25 ft in the air - see deer coming at 100 yds, drawing that 85% let off bow, resting the lower cam on your leg, waiting 5 minutes comfortably to kill him at 20 yds (I've done this) is totally different? Orare neither like getting the draw on the same deer at 20 yds with a 55# recurve - traditional archery? Which of the 3 choices above is most likely to be detected and which ones will stand virtully none of being seen?

Someone either has a severe perception problem or is eaten up with an illogical, self centeredfear or xbows ruining THEIR hunting season.

Steve

Arthur P

Schultzy, I know exactly what you're saying. Traditional hunters have a lot more credibility with their arguments than the compound side does. What I've been told over and over again by the compound side when I've complained about their unending hunger for more technology and making bowhunting easier and easier is, basically, "we're the majority so you can just shut up." Traditional bowhunters only make up something like 5-8% of the total, so we can't do much of anything but make a little noise and be ignored.

Bowhunting already doesn't even remotely resemble the bowhunting I grew up with. Nearly everyone has already taken the easy route. And they are wanting it to be even easier.

The compound bow has reinvented bowhunting in it's own image and continue to make it evolve into something it was never intended to be. It's extraordinarily ludicrous to methat there are bowhunters now who pass up deer because they aren't big enough. That bowhunting is now a management tool. Bowhunting seasons were originally established to have little or no impact on herd numbers and now look at it. It was supposed to be difficult. People weren't supposed to tag out in bow season. But now they do and it's even gotten to the point they don't think they've had a successful season if they haven't put down a 'quality' buck.

In my opinion, the crossbow won't screw things up any worse than they already are.

But you are right. All you can do is vote and make your voice heard. And send letters and e-mails. Get involved in the politics of bowhunting.

davidmil

You have me confused with someone else. Here's what you said about me. LOL I still assumed that saying I'm spreading lies makes me a liar???

Rob/PA Bowyer

AP, with all due respect, isn't the majority of deer shot from 20 yards and under?

If that is true, can you not hit your deer with your stick bow when they are 20 yards and under?

So if that is true, which I assume it is, tell me why using a compound is easier than a traditional bow?

Isn't the challenge getting said animal at 20 yards?

I've missed deer at 16 yards with a compound, I probably could have hit said animal with a recurve, at least that's what shooting Matt / PA's recurve showed me so again, why do make the statement, compounds are easier?

I sure read alot of misses on these boards.

I'll give you that compounds may or may not reach out a little further but I don't find them "easier". Hell it's actually easier to point and shoot traditional gear than it is tuning and tweaking a damn compound to do the same....in the hands of proficient archers. Would you not agree with that?

GrumpyTom

Did you not say that shooting a crossbow was just like shooting a gun. That if you could shoot good groups with a rifle, then you could just pick up a crossbows and shot it like a gun and easily kill a deer (not your exact words, but very close). Well this was pointed out to you that you were not telling the truth but you continue to spew these incorrect statements ................ that in my mind as well as many others is telling lies. Yes I did say that you were telling lies, but if you want to inturpit that as your are a liar, than that is your opinion. I only stated that your statement was a lie, after you made that same incorrect statement for the 3rd time. I have a tendicy to correct incorrect statements about crossbows so that people that do not know anything about them, will not start to believe them.


Again ............... noone wil answer my questions ............... why not !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Arthur P

Used to be so. I'm not so sure that's the case any more.

Yes, I can. If, and only if,I can draw the bow and execute the shot while remaining undetected.

Because with a high let-off compound, I can draw the bow with the animal coming in, or is passing behind a bush and wait for the shot.I don't have to wait until the deer is right there in front of me before I candraw. I drew my 80% let-off compound once and stood there for 5 minutes at full draw before I finally got bored and let down. Could've easily done at least a few more minutes. I certainly can't do that with a stickbow.

Not really, not when you are able to clip the cap off a pop bottle at 40 yards with an arrow and are set up over a field with a clean view all around. Or, in Texas at any rate, when you're hunting over a feeder - something I do not do, by the way - and have cleaned out a good shooting lane.

Surely you're not suggesting they aren't?? That'd cause the big compound manufacturers extraordinary hardship, lost sales and economic collapse if that rumor got around. Go back and reread my previous answer.

As do I. Some people just excited and forget to aim. I know I've shot arrows at animals before and forgot to pick a spot, or was focused on the rack rather than on the rib cage. [&:]Or they misjudge the yardage or they use the wrong pin, or any of a hundred different things can happen. All of which crossbows are also susceptable to having happen. Not to mention that there are gobs and gobs of folks who do not put in the off-season practice it takes to be proficient, and you can even meet them here on this forum.

Also, we can't forget that there are far too many people who willsay they missed or wounded and lost one rather than admit they didn't even see one.

Darn right I do! That's why I rarely hunt with a compound. But the key words you bring up are "in the hands of proficient archers." It really does take a lot more effort and involvement to become proficient with traditional equipment than it does with compounds. Fortunately, for most traditionals, shooting is enjoyable and it's easy to find time to do something you enjoy vs something you see as a chore to be done. Given the choice between taking out my longbow or recurve and shooting, vs working on and fiddling with the tune on the compound, I usually take the stick and play.

But the fact remains that compounds ARE easier than traditional. And as one who shoots it all, I'd actually put compounds ahead of crossbows on ease of use. See, crossbows also demand a certain level of practice to be proficient, the same exact yardage estimation skills. Crossbows have tuning problems that have to be addressed, just like compounds, and they aren't nearly as easy to adjust.

Schultzy

I was a much much better shot at 20 yards with the compound then i am now with the recurve. Some days i won't even shoot at that range, which is probably 65% of the time. It really depends on how good i'm shooting at the time. Pointing and shooting Traditional gear isn't easy by no means, there's alot more to it then that.