New Bowhunting Law in IL
12-15-2007, 09:05 PM
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RE: New Bowhunting Law in IL
ORIGINAL: davidmil
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I don't think it's misleading at all. If you know how to shoot a gun you can pick up a crossbow and shoot bullseyes at 20 and 30 yards almost instantly. .................................................. ..................The skill of the kill is pretty basic.
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I don't think it's misleading at all. If you know how to shoot a gun you can pick up a crossbow and shoot bullseyes at 20 and 30 yards almost instantly. .................................................. ..................The skill of the kill is pretty basic.
I have watched people that buy a compound which was set up in the pro shop (they never owned a bow before) and went out hunting the next day. Is this eithical, I do not believe so, just like if someone takes a crossbow out with out practicing is just as uneithical. I have also know of people that have hit bullseye after bullseye the first time they have picked up a compound. Also if your talking about accuracy between the two, why is it that compounds will out score the crossbow at the national championships.
But like I said, your ignorance is showing in your statements.
12-15-2007, 09:22 PM
#32
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RE: New Bowhunting Law in IL
I was going to make the same remark ^ . I think rifles should be outlawed for hunting because they have a much larger advantage over shotguns and Ohio is Shotgun only, i mean ANYONE can pick up a rifle and shoot 150 yards and have 3 inch groups...
12-15-2007, 09:40 PM
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RE: New Bowhunting Law in IL
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I was going to make the same remark ^ . I think rifles should be outlawed for hunting because they have a much larger advantage over shotguns and Ohio is Shotgun only, i mean ANYONE can pick up a rifle and shoot 150 yards and have 3 inch groups...
I was going to make the same remark ^ . I think rifles should be outlawed for hunting because they have a much larger advantage over shotguns and Ohio is Shotgun only, i mean ANYONE can pick up a rifle and shoot 150 yards and have 3 inch groups...
But we digress here. This topic was about a new law that was brought out to give older people the choice to contimue to hunt with a crossbow if they do choose to do so, not to debate compound/crossbow arguements pro or con. I could do so. I could prove with data, not personal feelings that crossbows and compounds have generally equal advantages (although different) over the recurve and long bow.
The thing is, the choice should be free for the hunter to make if they choose to do so.
12-15-2007, 09:44 PM
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RE: New Bowhunting Law in IL
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Exactly. If you know how to shoot a gun and have some basics, like breathing and not jerking the trigger, you can do that. If you can do that, you can shoot a cross bow at 20 and 30 yards with no problem.. and I say again, almost instantly. No I haven't hunted with a crossbow, but I shot one. I've shot thousands of rounds of ammo down range and can shoot a crossbow tomorrow. It's not rocket sciences. As a past gun totter, veteran and bowhunter.... a crossbow is a done deal within range. Don't make it more than it is. It's a quick fix to all the hours and days and weeks and months and years a guy spends with a recurve or long bow to become half proficient at 20 yards. You give the same old 62 year old a recurve and he can't hit your pickup at 20 yards. With a crossbow I'll have him taking out your backup mirror in 10 minutes.
mean ANYONE can pick up a rifle and shoot 150 yards and have 3 inch groups...
12-15-2007, 10:35 PM
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RE: New Bowhunting Law in IL
It's a quick fix to all the hours and days and weeks and months and years a guy spends with a recurve or long bow to become half proficient at 20 yards.
How many do you know who put theircompounds away on closing day and don't get them out again until just before next opening day? A whole lot more do that than there are practicing and shootingyear round. I'd bet for every one of uswho does shoot regularly in the offseason, there are a thousand who don't. And most of them have never once shot a bow with their God-given fingers. Mechanical release is all they know. It's so-o-o much easier just to buy one of those than spend the time and effort to learn how to properly execute a fingers release, now isn't it.
So, where's all those hours and days and weeks and months and years of practice with the compound? What does it matter in the overall scheme of thingsif it takes 10 minutes with a crossbow in order to hit that mirror vs a half hour with a compound? It's still feeding into that buy today, hunt tomorrow frame of mind. NO DIFFERENCE!
Seriously, if not having todo all that workin order to be proficient is a valid reason to keep crossbows out of bow season, then you've just closed thedoor on compounds as well.
12-16-2007, 02:57 AM
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RE: New Bowhunting Law in IL
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EXACTLY the same can be said for compounds, davidmil. In fact, the whole industry has beenraking inmoney off making it easier for at least the past 20 years. There used to be as much difference between crossbows and compounds as between compounds and recurves. Not any longer. Compounds have reached and, in some ways, surpassed crossbows in ease of use.
How many do you know who put theircompounds away on closing day and don't get them out again until just before next opening day? A whole lot more do that than there are practicing and shootingyear round. I'd bet for every one of uswho does shoot regularly in the offseason, there are a thousand who don't. And most of them have never once shot a bow with their God-given fingers. Mechanical release is all they know. It's so-o-o much easier just to buy one of those than spend the time and effort to learn how to properly execute a fingers release, now isn't it.
So, where's all those hours and days and weeks and months and years of practice with the compound? What does it matter in the overall scheme of thingsif it takes 10 minutes with a crossbow in order to hit that mirror vs a half hour with a compound? It's still feeding into that buy today, hunt tomorrow frame of mind. NO DIFFERENCE!
Seriously, if not having todo all that workin order to be proficient is a valid reason to keep crossbows out of bow season, then you've just closed thedoor on compounds as well.
EXACTLY the same can be said for compounds, davidmil. In fact, the whole industry has beenraking inmoney off making it easier for at least the past 20 years. There used to be as much difference between crossbows and compounds as between compounds and recurves. Not any longer. Compounds have reached and, in some ways, surpassed crossbows in ease of use.
How many do you know who put theircompounds away on closing day and don't get them out again until just before next opening day? A whole lot more do that than there are practicing and shootingyear round. I'd bet for every one of uswho does shoot regularly in the offseason, there are a thousand who don't. And most of them have never once shot a bow with their God-given fingers. Mechanical release is all they know. It's so-o-o much easier just to buy one of those than spend the time and effort to learn how to properly execute a fingers release, now isn't it.
So, where's all those hours and days and weeks and months and years of practice with the compound? What does it matter in the overall scheme of thingsif it takes 10 minutes with a crossbow in order to hit that mirror vs a half hour with a compound? It's still feeding into that buy today, hunt tomorrow frame of mind. NO DIFFERENCE!
Seriously, if not having todo all that workin order to be proficient is a valid reason to keep crossbows out of bow season, then you've just closed thedoor on compounds as well.
David, Id like to see you pick up a crossbow and be as good as you say you can be almost instantly. Theres more too it than picking it up whipping the string back and using gun basics. The fact that you think that just shows how little you actually know about the subject.
12-16-2007, 05:17 AM
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RE: New Bowhunting Law in IL
How many do you know who put theircompounds away on closing day and don't get them out again until just before next opening day?
Can I borrow youXbow. And Arthur, you made mypoint, yes it's easier with a compound, a gun etc etc That's my point.Just about anyone can pick up an XBow and beable to kill something with it. And no, it won't close the door on compounds. Ohio has been a Xbow state for a long time. Still more compounds and recurves out there than Xbows.
12-16-2007, 07:32 AM
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RE: New Bowhunting Law in IL
A crossbow is not the same as a compound bow. You don't have to draw it back at the moment of truth. Very little movement required. Setting an age for crossbow use is not right in my opinion. I know many bowhunters older that do just fine. A medical condition fine, but not for everyone. Maybe crossbow and ML season could be at the same time.
12-16-2007, 08:02 AM
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RE: New Bowhunting Law in IL
I'm not going to rack crossbows any longer, there is no point in it with the evolving mindset of hunters these days, but I will tell this story that I know to be true:
My fatherinlaw who is 69 bought a Ten Point crossbow from Gander Mtn. just before deer season. he can no longer pull a bow because of shoulder problems and numbness in his right hand. The guy at the store shot a couple of times and sighted the dot in the scope in at 20 yrds. After he cocked and loaded another bolt my inlaw proceeded to put the bolt right in the bulls eye. I also watched my inlaw sight it in at home for 30 and 40yds. in less than 10 minutes. Though 30 yds. seems to be near the most effective range for those short bolts.
My fatherinlaw who is 69 bought a Ten Point crossbow from Gander Mtn. just before deer season. he can no longer pull a bow because of shoulder problems and numbness in his right hand. The guy at the store shot a couple of times and sighted the dot in the scope in at 20 yrds. After he cocked and loaded another bolt my inlaw proceeded to put the bolt right in the bulls eye. I also watched my inlaw sight it in at home for 30 and 40yds. in less than 10 minutes. Though 30 yds. seems to be near the most effective range for those short bolts.
12-16-2007, 08:23 AM
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RE: New Bowhunting Law in IL
Not sure why this is needed. I am sure there are plenty of 62 year olds that can still draw back a bow with enough pop to kill a deer. Specially with all of the advances in bow technology we have today.
A crossbow is not the same as a compound bow. You don't have to draw it back at the moment of truth. Very little movement required. Setting an age for crossbow use is not right in my opinion.
Better outlaw lettoff as well.
I know many bowhunters older that do just fine.
Maybe crossbow and ML season could be at the same time.
I am very pleased to see the anti side weakening.
I too was rabid anti xbow until I started making objective comparisons of them to the modern compound.
Steve