bigcountry

Well as far as innovations, it looks like bowtech is refining thier pivot designs, and also came out with a few screamers. I mean, the pivot designs have only been out for a year, not sure what innovations you expect? No company would want to put out somethign to hurt thier sales of hot products. Like PSE does. Mathew on the other hand, same old single cam, different weights, different ATA. Bowtech has the same thing with diamond. I like mathews, but they have to come up with something sooner or later or it will bite them.

I shot the new mathews real short bow last week, and can't believe they put out something so unbalanced. Just falls forward, and no way of putting on some wieght in teh back to balance it. I like the drenalin, lot like my bowtech liberty. But prefer the wider switchback limb design. I think it makes teh idler wheel more balanced.

MOmightymite

It's easy.....Mathews is and will sell a lot of bows because of their name. Their bows are great too, but nothing special. If you look back over the last few years of all the new bows Mathews has put out they all look identical. They are just not as innovative as Bowtech and other companies. Bowtech is willing to push to new extremes to get customers. You guys may say well Bowtech didnt come out with anything special this year either, and that's where you are wrong. Study the new bows for a few minutes and there are a lot of new features on the new bows. For example, you say the General isn't really new, but actually they took an idea and made it better. They made the limbs more than parrallel to reduce noise and vibration even more. They designed new cams to make the draw smoother that people complained about with the Guardian. They added a string suppressor and rollerguard which you say is from other companies. This may be true but they are adding these things to their bows to make the best bow out there. Mathews just needs to be more innovative and come up with a totally new design to catch back up.

GMMAT

If you asked me.....The Diamond line just passed Mathews.

BigJ71

I'm a big fan of single cam bows and when looking for a new one I shot (tested) only single cam bows. There were many I liked and I even picked the Fred Bear Code over the Mathews. Well I was able to pick up a Switchback LD at a very...very good price figuring I'd have a backup to the Code.

After shooting it I realized I hadn't put enough arrows through in when looking for a new bow because if I had I'd have bought it before the Code. Now my Code is the backup bow.

I'm not brand loyal, I'll shoot anything that feels good. I may even give the hybrids/binary/cam 1/2 etc..another chance one day but for now I'm sticking to single cam bows and Mathews makes a great single cam bow.

I do agree with gutshot though....seems like folks LOVE to find fault with Mathews but give the other major manufacturers a pass. I even started a thread about it some time back if you all remember.

bigcountry

Hoyt is the one that shocks me. They have just totally fell off the radar.

You know, I look at mathews and it reminds me of knight rifles. They were the innovators. They made the rules. But they relied too much on thier disc line for too long. T/C came and blew them away. Now knight who used to own the market, is just coming behind T/C putting out copies trying to get back the marketshare. It will happen to mathews too.

GMMAT

BigJ....

Left alone....I find NO FAULT in a MAthews bow, AT ALL. Compared to most other bows....I still think they are superior. I just don't think they're the most innovative, cutting-edge bow mfr. out there, right now. There are better options (IMO).

No "fault" in them, at all, though.....and I hope my posts didn't come across that way.

gutshot

Mo Mighty so are you saying that Bowtech put technology on their bows that other companies come up with and this puts them above the rest, or am I just reading it wrong?

BigJ71

No, I understand completely and I even agree. Heck there are so many good bow manufacturers out there it's almost impossible to get out and shoot each and everyone. So I'm sure there are some than would impress me in just single cam models.

I don't think they've been the most innovative or cutting edge lately either, but I don't think they have to be....not with a single cam bow. They've pretty much got a good thing going and have them down pretty good right now. They produce a good lineup of great shooting bows...not much more to ask for.

As technology advances so will their designs you can bet on it, but there are only so many new advances that are discovered each year. New cam designs are an area that Mathews has kept up with the pace. It's not as "in your face" as the new riser design (very cool BTW) Bowtech came out with but an advancement none the less.

Personally I think a lot of people are missing the boat with the Switchback LD. The reason is because it's not fast, but I don't think you can ask too much more in a hunting bow 33 1/2 AtoA 9in brace height and a straight riser design make it idealas a stable hunting platform.

MOmightymite

Yes you are reading it wrong. What I am saying is that Bowtech is adding stuff to thier bows to make them that much better. Like i said by just adding these things they are taking the Guardian from last year and basically fixing the flaws in it. By adding the string suppressor they are eliminating more vibration, and by using the rollerguard system they are fixing clearance issues that many people had with their Guardian. They are trying to make the best bow out there and IMO they are winning. Mathews IMO isnt listening to what their customers want. I mean how long have Mathews guys wanted a longer ATA bow and it took them forever to come out with one.

GMMAT

How many Mathews guys have we heard on here wishing they would redesign their grips? What about the strings they use? Why won't they switch to a better string and cable setup?

These are two areas I think they could improve upon to make a better bow and not cost themselves ANYTHING. This isn't a "cut" on the company....just a suggestion!