Where would you aim?
11-18-2007, 09:21 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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Where would you aim?
Imagine a 1 1/2 ft tallby 4 ft widerectangle as the deer's body with the left side being the head side. So for example on a broadside shot from the ground (with the starting reference pointbeing thebottom left corner of the above rectangle) you would aim 10 inches upand 1 1/2 ft right which puts the point of impact right behind the shoulders for a double lung shot. I hope that's not too difficult to understand. Now, where would you aim and what vitals would you aim for in the following situations?
1) from 15yds away and 30ft up, deer broadside
2) 15yds away, 30ft up, quartering away at a 45 degree angle (meaning moderately quartered away)
3)20yds away, 30ft up, quartering away at a 65 degree angle (meaning severely quartered away)
4) 8yds away, 20ft up, broadside
5) 8yds away, 20ft up, quartering away at a 45 degree angle
It'll beinteresting ito see what your answers are and where your opinions differ.
1) from 15yds away and 30ft up, deer broadside
2) 15yds away, 30ft up, quartering away at a 45 degree angle (meaning moderately quartered away)
3)20yds away, 30ft up, quartering away at a 65 degree angle (meaning severely quartered away)
4) 8yds away, 20ft up, broadside
5) 8yds away, 20ft up, quartering away at a 45 degree angle
It'll beinteresting ito see what your answers are and where your opinions differ.
11-18-2007, 09:25 AM
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Boone & Crockett
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RE: Where would you aim?
Well I'm not going to try to figure all that out, it's simple,
I aim for the exit hole, hopefully on the knuckle on the opposite shoulder passing through the lungs and heart.
I aim for the exit hole, hopefully on the knuckle on the opposite shoulder passing through the lungs and heart.
11-18-2007, 09:33 AM
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RE: Where would you aim?
ORIGINAL: Hoytail Hunter
Imagine a 1 1/2 ft tallby 4 ft widerectangle as the deer's body with the left side being the head side. So for example on a broadside shot from the ground (with the starting reference pointbeing thebottom left corner of the above rectangle) you would aim 10 inches upand 1 1/2 ft right which puts the point of impact right behind the shoulders for a double lung shot. I hope that's not too difficult to understand. Now, where would you aim and what vitals would you aim for in the following situations?
1) from 15yds away and 30ft up, deer broadside
2) 15yds away, 30ft up, quartering away at a 45 degree angle (meaning moderately quartered away)
3)20yds away, 30ft up, quartering away at a 65 degree angle (meaning severely quartered away)
4) 8yds away, 20ft up, broadside
5) 8yds away, 20ft up, quartering away at a 45 degree angle
It'll beinteresting ito see what your answers are and where your opinions differ.
Imagine a 1 1/2 ft tallby 4 ft widerectangle as the deer's body with the left side being the head side. So for example on a broadside shot from the ground (with the starting reference pointbeing thebottom left corner of the above rectangle) you would aim 10 inches upand 1 1/2 ft right which puts the point of impact right behind the shoulders for a double lung shot. I hope that's not too difficult to understand. Now, where would you aim and what vitals would you aim for in the following situations?
1) from 15yds away and 30ft up, deer broadside
2) 15yds away, 30ft up, quartering away at a 45 degree angle (meaning moderately quartered away)
3)20yds away, 30ft up, quartering away at a 65 degree angle (meaning severely quartered away)
4) 8yds away, 20ft up, broadside
5) 8yds away, 20ft up, quartering away at a 45 degree angle
It'll beinteresting ito see what your answers are and where your opinions differ.
11-18-2007, 09:49 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Where would you aim?
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
I aim for the exit hole, hopefully on the knuckle on the opposite shoulder passing through the lungs and heart.
I aim for the exit hole, hopefully on the knuckle on the opposite shoulder passing through the lungs and heart.
The reason why I'm asking is because I want to know from you more experienced guys which vitals I should be going for in which situations. And in some situations like severely quartering away,the kill zone for the heart is bigger than the kill zone for a double lung.
I think a huge part of the reason why there are so many deer lost to the hands of inexperienced bowhunters is because they are not taught correctly where to put the arrow in different situations. Telling them "oh just put it through the heart and lungs" don't tell them nothing because they don't know where the vitals are once the animal is turned or what have you.
11-18-2007, 09:56 AM
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RE: Where would you aim?
ORIGINAL: Schultzy
On everyone of those shots I would want my arrow to come out onthe oppisite side an inch or two behind the shoulder!
On everyone of those shots I would want my arrow to come out onthe oppisite side an inch or two behind the shoulder!
11-18-2007, 09:57 AM
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RE: Where would you aim?
This is a pretty tough shot due to the angle and the fact that the distance to thedeer is fairly short. Most folks are going to hit this deer higher than they want. If you aim where rob said, you are probably going to hit higher and wind up hitting the first lung high and far back - hit the second lung low and far forward.
11-18-2007, 09:59 AM
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RE: Where would you aim?
The lungs are your biggest vitals, keep that in mind! Don't be so concerned about going for that heart shot on a quartering away animal, stay away from that shoulder and go for them lungs!
11-18-2007, 10:08 AM
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RE: Where would you aim?
ORIGINAL: Schultzy
The lungs are your biggest vitals, keep that in mind! Don't be so concerned about going for that heart shot on a quartering away animal, stay away from that shoulder and go for them lungs!
The lungs are your biggest vitals, keep that in mind! Don't be so concerned about going for that heart shot on a quartering away animal, stay away from that shoulder and go for them lungs!
Considering that a single lung shot is the last thing you want on a deer, why would you still want your arrow to come out as you stated? As big as the lungs are like you said, when I think about that situation, the arrow still only gets the far lung.
Tell me what I'm not thinking about here.
11-18-2007, 10:12 AM
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RE: Where would you aim?
ORIGINAL: Hoytail Hunter
OK so you're telling me that in situation 5 (8yds away, 20ft up, quartering away at a 45 degree angle) that you will get both lungs and the heart just merely by aiming for the opposite knuckle?I've only killed 3bucks withmybow so my experience is very limited (hence the post) but I don't think that's possible, though I may be wrong. How do you get lungs and heart on a steep and angled deer?
The reason why I'm asking is because I want to know from you more experienced guys which vitals I should be going for in which situations. And in some situations like severely quartering away,the kill zone for the heart is bigger than the kill zone for a double lung.
I think a huge part of the reason why there are so many deer lost to the hands of inexperienced bowhunters is because they are not taught correctly where to put the arrow in different situations. Telling them "oh just put it through the heart and lungs" don't tell them nothing because they don't know where the vitals are once the animal is turned or what have you.
ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer
I aim for the exit hole, hopefully on the knuckle on the opposite shoulder passing through the lungs and heart.
I aim for the exit hole, hopefully on the knuckle on the opposite shoulder passing through the lungs and heart.
The reason why I'm asking is because I want to know from you more experienced guys which vitals I should be going for in which situations. And in some situations like severely quartering away,the kill zone for the heart is bigger than the kill zone for a double lung.
I think a huge part of the reason why there are so many deer lost to the hands of inexperienced bowhunters is because they are not taught correctly where to put the arrow in different situations. Telling them "oh just put it through the heart and lungs" don't tell them nothing because they don't know where the vitals are once the animal is turned or what have you.
11-18-2007, 10:14 AM
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RE: Where would you aim?
Its so darn hard to explain it on here, in person would be so much easier! Alot of timeson a severe angle your only going to get one lung. Don't take the shot if your not confident about it.