how is killing a deer any worst then killing a cow
09-14-2007, 08:09 PM
#11
Giant Nontypical
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RE: how is killing a deer any worst then killing a cow
ORIGINAL: The Rev
You be the judge! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74USdnMMJEA
Warning it's graphic! I'd rather do it with my bow.
ORIGINAL: bigtim6656
i have been told that the differents from hunting and farming cows for meat is the cow is kill quickly and humanly does anyone know how they end the cows mooing before the turn it into hamburger and is it any better or worst then the normal hunting kill
i have been told that the differents from hunting and farming cows for meat is the cow is kill quickly and humanly does anyone know how they end the cows mooing before the turn it into hamburger and is it any better or worst then the normal hunting kill
You be the judge! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74USdnMMJEA
Warning it's graphic! I'd rather do it with my bow.
Am I the only one but I'd like to have a caping knife as sharp as they were using. [:-]
09-14-2007, 11:07 PM
#12
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2004
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RE: how is killing a deer any worst then killing a cow
You should be informed that the PETA types are against ALL consumption of animals by humans. They don't prefer cows over deer. They are against it all. Many of them are even against the ownership of pets.
They are basically unstable people.
They are basically unstable people.
09-15-2007, 03:06 AM
#13
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2007
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RE: how is killing a deer any worst then killing a cow
ORIGINAL: isatarak
You should be informed that the PETA types are against ALL consumption of animals by humans. They don't prefer cows over deer. They are against it all. Many of them are even against the ownership of pets.
They are basically unstable people.
You should be informed that the PETA types are against ALL consumption of animals by humans. They don't prefer cows over deer. They are against it all. Many of them are even against the ownership of pets.
They are basically unstable people.
09-15-2007, 03:41 AM
#14
Nontypical Buck
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RE: how is killing a deer any worst then killing a cow
First, true sportsmen don't KILL, they hunt and harvest their game. Second, if they are out there just to kill, then they are not hunters and sportsmen, they are animal killers!
09-15-2007, 07:42 AM
#15
Giant Nontypical
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RE: how is killing a deer any worst then killing a cow
ORIGINAL: HuntingBry
Those that say how quick and humane killing livestock is have never been to a slaughterhouse.
Those that say how quick and humane killing livestock is have never been to a slaughterhouse.
LOL
As for myself hunting is not killing, it's only a small partof it and if that was all there was to it, I wouldn't do it.It is necessary part of life that requires a high level of maturity to live with.
09-15-2007, 07:58 AM
#16
Fork Horn
Join Date: Aug 2007
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RE: how is killing a deer any worst then killing a cow
ORIGINAL: bigtim6656
i have been told that the differents from hunting and farming cows for meat is the cow is kill quickly and humanly does anyone know how they end the cows mooing before the turn it into hamburger and is it any better or worst then the normal hunting kill
i have been told that the differents from hunting and farming cows for meat is the cow is kill quickly and humanly does anyone know how they end the cows mooing before the turn it into hamburger and is it any better or worst then the normal hunting kill
I not knockin the slaughter houses or the way they do business--and I ain't even shore why I posting this--
But I am reminded of the BIBLE where God gave us dominion over the animals to use --He just said not to abuse them--killing them for food is not abuse--
09-15-2007, 08:53 AM
#17
Giant Nontypical
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RE: how is killing a deer any worst then killing a cow
i am in know way having thing to do with peta nor will i ever when ibuy my hunting tags would you like be to post a pic of it
Screw peta i hunt and all i was asking was why do some people think it is so much better if we eat a cow bought from the grocrey store and yes i know i have grammer proplems and i am working on correcty that als one reason i have misspellings is because the 10.00 keyboard i bought at walmart sucks and some times itdoes not hit the key
Screw peta i hunt and all i was asking was why do some people think it is so much better if we eat a cow bought from the grocrey store and yes i know i have grammer proplems and i am working on correcty that als one reason i have misspellings is because the 10.00 keyboard i bought at walmart sucks and some times itdoes not hit the key
ORIGINAL: PatrickMc
How does this site get infiltrated with PETA? These mis-informed, cry-baby, just wanna complain about anything, idiots, start these myths that hunting is so horrible and give us a bad name. They come on this site and can't even spell, it is all a plan to make hunters look bad by making them look stupid and unintelligent with the statements and mis-spelling.
Go to a slaughter house jack ass, the cattle is more or less still alive as it's butchered. A deer is usually dead in less than ten seconds. These dumb ass hypocrites just want to bitch and have no idea what their argument is. It's all ok to eat beef or pork b/c it came from the grocery store, where it's all packaged nice and neat. Well it doesn't grow all wrapped up in freezer paper numb nuts!! these people should get off their lazy asses and go hunt some real meat that is actually healthy and not full of fat, hormones,and disease. Oh that's right, that commercial meat in the store, those animals are pumped with drugs, and hormones to insure fast and large growing. And that goes for all of the products, meats, eggs, poultry, milk, etc. Also, your store bought ground beef, it's mostly leftovers. That includes tumors and whatever else is growing on the animal, and don't even get me started about the fast food chains with their "Grade D" meats.
First, true sportsmen don't KILL, they hunt and harvest their game. Second, if they are out there just to kill, then they are not hunters and sportsmen, they are animal killers!
The simple fact is that it is cheaper (that's right is' all about the almighty dollar) to stab a cow in the head with a dull aluminum rod. True, it is much more effective to put a ten cent bullet in the brain, BUT that is ten cents per cow now and that adds up, the pneumatic rod is retractable and hits every cow that is pushed in through the hydraulic shoot.
How does this site get infiltrated with PETA? These mis-informed, cry-baby, just wanna complain about anything, idiots, start these myths that hunting is so horrible and give us a bad name. They come on this site and can't even spell, it is all a plan to make hunters look bad by making them look stupid and unintelligent with the statements and mis-spelling.
Go to a slaughter house jack ass, the cattle is more or less still alive as it's butchered. A deer is usually dead in less than ten seconds. These dumb ass hypocrites just want to bitch and have no idea what their argument is. It's all ok to eat beef or pork b/c it came from the grocery store, where it's all packaged nice and neat. Well it doesn't grow all wrapped up in freezer paper numb nuts!! these people should get off their lazy asses and go hunt some real meat that is actually healthy and not full of fat, hormones,and disease. Oh that's right, that commercial meat in the store, those animals are pumped with drugs, and hormones to insure fast and large growing. And that goes for all of the products, meats, eggs, poultry, milk, etc. Also, your store bought ground beef, it's mostly leftovers. That includes tumors and whatever else is growing on the animal, and don't even get me started about the fast food chains with their "Grade D" meats.
First, true sportsmen don't KILL, they hunt and harvest their game. Second, if they are out there just to kill, then they are not hunters and sportsmen, they are animal killers!
The simple fact is that it is cheaper (that's right is' all about the almighty dollar) to stab a cow in the head with a dull aluminum rod. True, it is much more effective to put a ten cent bullet in the brain, BUT that is ten cents per cow now and that adds up, the pneumatic rod is retractable and hits every cow that is pushed in through the hydraulic shoot.
09-15-2007, 08:59 AM
#18
Typical Buck
Join Date: May 2007
Location: South Carolina
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RE: how is killing a deer any worst then killing a cow
PETA members always amuse me.
As for the cow vs. deer debate.
I agree. There is no comparison. The deer I hunt are free animals. They aren't in a fence and aren't raised on a yard. These deer use every sense they have to defeat me.
As for cows. They are RAISED inside of a fence. Most are raised on a stock yard where the ground they walk on is pure fesesis(sp). They are shot up with hormones, and growth suppliments. many of which have been proven to cause cancer in labs, but the "cattle industry" claims that none of this can be passed down to the consumer.
As for the cow vs. deer debate.
I agree. There is no comparison. The deer I hunt are free animals. They aren't in a fence and aren't raised on a yard. These deer use every sense they have to defeat me.
As for cows. They are RAISED inside of a fence. Most are raised on a stock yard where the ground they walk on is pure fesesis(sp). They are shot up with hormones, and growth suppliments. many of which have been proven to cause cancer in labs, but the "cattle industry" claims that none of this can be passed down to the consumer.
09-15-2007, 05:52 PM
#20
Fork Horn
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RE: how is killing a deer any worst then killing a cow
Ok - wasnt gonna reply but here goes. What does everyone think is going to happen in a slaughterhouse? Look at the name....sound like a good place for a family vacation - i dont think so. The video link posted was not a video of a "slaughterhouse" it was a video of a small butcher shop. If that had been a slaughterous, the animal would have been stunned, stuck, and all the blood drained from the body in the time it took that guy to stun the animal. Why stun instead of shoot? Stunning uses the body's natural blood pump, the heart, and removes the blood from the actual cuts of meat, allowing a better product for the consumer in the end.
Ahh, the hormone debate. As a beef producer, Bachelor of Science in Animal Science and a consumer of copious amounts of this "pumped" meat - I assure you that, just as roundup ready technology has not affected the end product in the corn and soybean industry, so will the use of implants in cattle not affect the end product of your steak.
I assure you - the cattle industry as a whole is the most regulated group in the meat production industry. No flavor enhancers are allowed to be used, no water is allowed to be added, look at the poultry and pork industries and their end product. Lots of water - wonder why its cheaper? Ill sell you water for a buck or so a pound if you want me to and that is exactly what the pork and poultry industries do and are allowed to do.
In summary - could things be changed some in the beef packing industry? Im sure there are some places that could be, but currently food safety is at an all time high. Evisceration, splitting, primal separating, quality grading, packaging etc are all done in a very sterile environment and inspection in plants is quite good and highly regulated.
Could the stunning aspect be changed? I encourage any of you that think so invent your own process that will quickly and humanely allow the volume of animals that are needed to be slaughtered each week to be slaughtered. Until then - this is the best we've got.
Ahh, the hormone debate. As a beef producer, Bachelor of Science in Animal Science and a consumer of copious amounts of this "pumped" meat - I assure you that, just as roundup ready technology has not affected the end product in the corn and soybean industry, so will the use of implants in cattle not affect the end product of your steak.
I assure you - the cattle industry as a whole is the most regulated group in the meat production industry. No flavor enhancers are allowed to be used, no water is allowed to be added, look at the poultry and pork industries and their end product. Lots of water - wonder why its cheaper? Ill sell you water for a buck or so a pound if you want me to and that is exactly what the pork and poultry industries do and are allowed to do.
In summary - could things be changed some in the beef packing industry? Im sure there are some places that could be, but currently food safety is at an all time high. Evisceration, splitting, primal separating, quality grading, packaging etc are all done in a very sterile environment and inspection in plants is quite good and highly regulated.
Could the stunning aspect be changed? I encourage any of you that think so invent your own process that will quickly and humanely allow the volume of animals that are needed to be slaughtered each week to be slaughtered. Until then - this is the best we've got.