My eyes were opened.....Am I selfish?
08-06-2007, 08:11 PM
#61
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sylvan Beach, NY.
Posts: 257
RE: My eyes were opened.....Am I selfish?
Jeff, I dont know you but I'll give you my opinion.
I have not read every response so here's "From the Heart" so to speak!
I would feel entirely priveleged to get an invitation to hunt a landowners property.
Thier Land-Thier Rules.
NO EXCEPTIONS!!!
This situation has come up in my past as a hunter and a landowner.
If I get permission to hunt someones land I view it as:
"What they say is an Irrevocable Contract".!
If I give permission for someone to hunt my land...they sign a copy of this:
http://www.familyfishandgame.com/PDFs/Hunter'sPledge.pdf
I have not read every response so here's "From the Heart" so to speak!
I would feel entirely priveleged to get an invitation to hunt a landowners property.
Thier Land-Thier Rules.
NO EXCEPTIONS!!!
This situation has come up in my past as a hunter and a landowner.
If I get permission to hunt someones land I view it as:
"What they say is an Irrevocable Contract".!
If I give permission for someone to hunt my land...they sign a copy of this:
http://www.familyfishandgame.com/PDFs/Hunter'sPledge.pdf
08-06-2007, 08:13 PM
#62
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Erie, Colorado
Posts: 1,530
RE: My eyes were opened.....Am I selfish?
Solution: draw up a contract. Have them sign it.
The contract should state: bucks can harvested and are subject to a $2500 shooter's fee. If it's that important, they'll raise the money.
Take said funds and come elk hunting....
The contract should state: bucks can harvested and are subject to a $2500 shooter's fee. If it's that important, they'll raise the money.
Take said funds and come elk hunting....
08-06-2007, 08:16 PM
#63
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: PA
Posts: 8,167
RE: My eyes were opened.....Am I selfish?
ORIGINAL: _Dan
I guess I'm in the vast minority here. I would say that while you think you are being unselfish, the reasons for your restrictions are very selfish. I can't fathom inviting someone to hunt with me and then expecting them to pass up something I would shoot. I can see you asking them not to take immature deer, but notthem to pass on a trophy is a little rediculous. If that's the kind of restrictions I'd have to place on someone,I wouldn't even think of inviting them.
On a side note, I do realize that you admitted to making a mistake inviting these guys, but I thought I would interject my .02.
I guess I'm in the vast minority here. I would say that while you think you are being unselfish, the reasons for your restrictions are very selfish. I can't fathom inviting someone to hunt with me and then expecting them to pass up something I would shoot. I can see you asking them not to take immature deer, but notthem to pass on a trophy is a little rediculous. If that's the kind of restrictions I'd have to place on someone,I wouldn't even think of inviting them.
On a side note, I do realize that you admitted to making a mistake inviting these guys, but I thought I would interject my .02.
If you invited your neighbors for a picnic lunch would you cook your friends steaks and your associates hot dogs?
If you feel good enough to hunt with them you should respect them as equals. I agree they should not shoot anything you would not shoot.
It seems you feel you are special.
and I say this because you do not own the land we are discussing.If its good for the goose its good ..................[:@]
08-06-2007, 08:25 PM
#64
Nontypical Buck
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RE: My eyes were opened.....Am I selfish?
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
I'll jump in with the minority here .
If you invited your neighbors for a picnic lunch would you cook your friends steaks and your associates hot dogs?
If you feel good enough to hunt with them you should respect them as equals. I agree they should not shoot anything you would not shoot.
If its good for the goose its good ..................[:@]
ORIGINAL: _Dan
I guess I'm in the vast minority here. I would say that while you think you are being unselfish, the reasons for your restrictions are very selfish. I can't fathom inviting someone to hunt with me and then expecting them to pass up something I would shoot. I can see you asking them not to take immature deer, but notthem to pass on a trophy is a little rediculous. If that's the kind of restrictions I'd have to place on someone,I wouldn't even think of inviting them.
On a side note, I do realize that you admitted to making a mistake inviting these guys, but I thought I would interject my .02.
I guess I'm in the vast minority here. I would say that while you think you are being unselfish, the reasons for your restrictions are very selfish. I can't fathom inviting someone to hunt with me and then expecting them to pass up something I would shoot. I can see you asking them not to take immature deer, but notthem to pass on a trophy is a little rediculous. If that's the kind of restrictions I'd have to place on someone,I wouldn't even think of inviting them.
On a side note, I do realize that you admitted to making a mistake inviting these guys, but I thought I would interject my .02.
If you invited your neighbors for a picnic lunch would you cook your friends steaks and your associates hot dogs?
If you feel good enough to hunt with them you should respect them as equals. I agree they should not shoot anything you would not shoot.
If its good for the goose its good ..................[:@]
08-07-2007, 12:24 AM
#65
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Virginia
Posts: 3,882
RE: My eyes were opened.....Am I selfish?
i agree completely with you. i hunted on a buddies land with a rifle same rules, does only even if it was a 500 B&C i had no problem with that and i havenever killed a big buck, and i had a buck come within 20 yards but i refrained and shot at the doe that was about 200 yards.
08-07-2007, 05:44 AM
#66
Dominant Buck
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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RE: My eyes were opened.....Am I selfish?
I'll jump in with the minority here .
If you invited your neighbors for a picnic lunch would you cook your friends steaks and your associates hot dogs?
If you feel good enough to hunt with them you should respect them as equals. I agree they should not shoot anything you would not shoot.
It seems you feel you are special.and I say this because you do not own the land we are discussing.
If its good for the goose its good ..................[:@]
If you invited your neighbors for a picnic lunch would you cook your friends steaks and your associates hot dogs?
If you feel good enough to hunt with them you should respect them as equals. I agree they should not shoot anything you would not shoot.
It seems you feel you are special.
and I say this because you do not own the land we are discussing. If its good for the goose its good ..................[:@]
They can choose to go hungry.....or eat what I'm serving. It matters not, to me.
08-07-2007, 06:11 AM
#67
Typical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Northwoods of WI
Posts: 990
RE: My eyes were opened.....Am I selfish?
Gmmat, can I make a suggestion.
For the last three years I have opened my land up to kids that don't have someone to take them hunting. Most were from single parent families. In WI we had a October gun hunt for does only. While I have no proplems shooting doe, I am not much of a gun hunter. So I notified the hunters safety instructors in the area and at the beginning of fall I had a list of a few kids that wantedto hunt. I had a few guys from work who were glad to give up some time over the 4 day hunt to help and guide.Two years ago we were able to take 11 doe of the property with just 4 kids.
I am not sure if this opp. is possible for you where you live, but it might be something you could look into. Kids are the purest for of sportsman, that havne't been spoiled yet.
For the last three years I have opened my land up to kids that don't have someone to take them hunting. Most were from single parent families. In WI we had a October gun hunt for does only. While I have no proplems shooting doe, I am not much of a gun hunter. So I notified the hunters safety instructors in the area and at the beginning of fall I had a list of a few kids that wantedto hunt. I had a few guys from work who were glad to give up some time over the 4 day hunt to help and guide.Two years ago we were able to take 11 doe of the property with just 4 kids.
I am not sure if this opp. is possible for you where you live, but it might be something you could look into. Kids are the purest for of sportsman, that havne't been spoiled yet.
08-07-2007, 06:21 AM
#68
Dominant Buck
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RE: My eyes were opened.....Am I selfish?
Copper:
Thanks for the advice. I'll probably end up taking one of my son's friends with us a few times. Like my son.....with these guys....anything is "fair game" to them. I'd love for either of them to shoot a great deer.
My area is funny. I have access to it.....when no one else thought I could gain it. I have to be careful about how many/who I take in there. I'm responsible, ultimately. That's whyI was asking guys I knew could hunt. i thought I wouldn't have to "babysit' them.
Now I know I don't.
The boys will definitely get to hunt as much as they want to. If they shot 'em ALL (all that we were trying to take) it would make my year. I'll be guide and butcher with no problems.
I talked to my wife about this, last night.....because when I walked out of the bowshop, yesterday....I felt like I'd been kicked in the stomach. She said "you don't need someone to come HUNT. You need some help with DOES." That's true. Thee are, literally, 2 deer that I know of that "I" would shoot in my woods (antlered deer). How do I "KNOW" what anyone else would shoot?
Easy solution is......I don't invite them in.....if I have to worry about it.
Thanks again for a GREAT suggestion.
Thanks for the advice. I'll probably end up taking one of my son's friends with us a few times. Like my son.....with these guys....anything is "fair game" to them. I'd love for either of them to shoot a great deer.
My area is funny. I have access to it.....when no one else thought I could gain it. I have to be careful about how many/who I take in there. I'm responsible, ultimately. That's whyI was asking guys I knew could hunt. i thought I wouldn't have to "babysit' them.
Now I know I don't.
The boys will definitely get to hunt as much as they want to. If they shot 'em ALL (all that we were trying to take) it would make my year. I'll be guide and butcher with no problems.
I talked to my wife about this, last night.....because when I walked out of the bowshop, yesterday....I felt like I'd been kicked in the stomach. She said "you don't need someone to come HUNT. You need some help with DOES." That's true. Thee are, literally, 2 deer that I know of that "I" would shoot in my woods (antlered deer). How do I "KNOW" what anyone else would shoot?
Easy solution is......I don't invite them in.....if I have to worry about it.
Thanks again for a GREAT suggestion.
08-07-2007, 06:38 AM
#69
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Cenral Illinois
Posts: 3,180
RE: My eyes were opened.....Am I selfish?
ORIGINAL: Windwalker7
GMMAT,
I'm not sure how long you have been archery hunting but I suspect it hasn't been very long. I'm not trying to be a smart allic when I say this but you are learning the hard way.
One thing you will learn quickly is that there are many, many guys out there that will take advantage of you. They might be friends, coworkers, brothers, cousins, etc...it doesn't matter. There are just those that will take advantage of a good hunting spot and you.
They'll sneek in your areas when you can't hunt. They'll bring friends to your area that you didn't invite. They'll break self imposed rules that they agreed to earlier. They'll poach deer. They'll hunt out of your stand. They'll purposely try to get deer to avoid your stand. They'll tell everyone where you hunt. They'll blab about the big buck you saw. etc...etc...etc...
Your best bet is to keep that place to yourself, son and very true friends. Do your best to solve the doe problem with those few people.
Inviting too many guys will ruin your hot spot. Trust me.
I've had it happen several times. I realize you are just trying to be friendly and unselfish by inviting these guys.It will just lead to problems if they hunt. You already know that by the feeling you are having in your gut right now.
It is tuff to try to be a nice guy and then to find out that you were taken advantage of. Take back the invitation and don't feel guilty about doing it.
Just learn that when you have a good spot, it is better to just keep quiet about it.
GMMAT,
I'm not sure how long you have been archery hunting but I suspect it hasn't been very long. I'm not trying to be a smart allic when I say this but you are learning the hard way.
One thing you will learn quickly is that there are many, many guys out there that will take advantage of you. They might be friends, coworkers, brothers, cousins, etc...it doesn't matter. There are just those that will take advantage of a good hunting spot and you.
They'll sneek in your areas when you can't hunt. They'll bring friends to your area that you didn't invite. They'll break self imposed rules that they agreed to earlier. They'll poach deer. They'll hunt out of your stand. They'll purposely try to get deer to avoid your stand. They'll tell everyone where you hunt. They'll blab about the big buck you saw. etc...etc...etc...
Your best bet is to keep that place to yourself, son and very true friends. Do your best to solve the doe problem with those few people.
Inviting too many guys will ruin your hot spot. Trust me.
I've had it happen several times. I realize you are just trying to be friendly and unselfish by inviting these guys.It will just lead to problems if they hunt. You already know that by the feeling you are having in your gut right now.
It is tuff to try to be a nice guy and then to find out that you were taken advantage of. Take back the invitation and don't feel guilty about doing it.
Just learn that when you have a good spot, it is better to just keep quiet about it.
08-07-2007, 08:31 AM
#70
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Phoenixville, PA USA
Posts: 5,541
RE: My eyes were opened.....Am I selfish?
Windwalker said it best.
Jeff, you've read Joe Brooks' book. Remember what he said about your property.
With that said, I've been on the invitation end and always followed the rules that others have set for me. At times I was overzealous about hunting the spot that was notmy own and when I could hunt it, and it nearly damaged a friendship. Friends are way more important than hunting spots or deer. Without friends who are you going to share your hunting stories and big buck kills with?
Jeff, you've read Joe Brooks' book. Remember what he said about your property.
With that said, I've been on the invitation end and always followed the rules that others have set for me. At times I was overzealous about hunting the spot that was notmy own and when I could hunt it, and it nearly damaged a friendship. Friends are way more important than hunting spots or deer. Without friends who are you going to share your hunting stories and big buck kills with?