Arthur P

Sorry back at ya, quickie, but you need to air out your britches. They've been blown plumb FULL of smoke. [8D]

You might be interested to know that those super duper limbs are the exact same laminate construction as Hoyt and other manufacturers started using back in the late 80's in their mid price range bows. Barnsdale has been making those limbs for a long, long time and they are not exclusive to your bow's manufacturer.

I'm reasonably sure the riser those limbs are mounted on is the same 7075 aluminum alloy that all other manufacturers use for their machined riser bows... and have been using since PSE came out with that new fangled machined riser of theirs back in '86.

And if you think I'm going to try and shoot a 250 grain arrow from a 65 pound bow at 33" draw, you ARE effin' crazy. LOL! Don't you find it mildly interesting that your fave-of-the-moment manufacturer won't even build a bow in my draw length under that warranty?

statjunk

Wis Bow,

Do you own that bow?

Tom

quiksilver

Sorry Artie - It's 6061 aluminum that all the companies are using...

...and while the lamination process is still basically the same (stack, glue, stack, glue), the components are completely different than they were, even 10 years ago.

Yeah, same basic idea - stack, glue, stack, glue - however, the curing processes, the epoxies, the fibrous materials - leagues ahead of where they were even 10 years ago. No contest. Maybe it's not as noticeable on bows, b/c you're just reflexing it uniformly every time you shoot, but go ski downhill on a pair of 1983 K2's, then try a set of 07's, and come back tell me it's the same thing.

I know how much it pains you to admit it, but there have been technological advances inboth materials and assembly processesover the past 20 years.

snake123

I think we should change the title of this post to "The Quicksilver and Arthur P Debate"

MN/Kyle

Throw a WB on the bow and i'll buy it[:-]

Arthur P

Really? Mathews uses 7075. I know Hoyt uses 7075 for at least some of their bows. I figured that other companies must use the same materials, since the prices aren't that different. Hmmm... Since 7075 transmits vibration a bit better, maybe other companies' bows wouldn't be shootable with anything other than 6061. Must be why there are so many bent risers.

Anyway, you're right. There have been technological advances over the past 20 years. But the advances in materials are not proprietary to any bow company. Your manufacturer doesn't have anything the other companies don't have... except a really wild way of trying to claw their way back into some market share.

There ya go! Good idea.

BobCo19-65

Can't say that I know all that much about aluminum, but isn't 7075 one of the highest strength aluminum alloys available?

Arthur P

7075 has roughly twice the tensile strength, shear strength and fatigue strength of 6061. But because it is so strong, it does transmit vibration quite a bit more than 6061.

quiksilver

Not sure who peed in your Geritol this morning Artie, but you're really having a hard time getting over this whole High Country thing. I never even said anything about my bow. Just pointed out that I shoot an arrow that would blow most olderbows to smithereens.

Is it my fault that they put a good limb on it? No. But Is that why I bought it? Yes. Is it my fault where they draw the line on their warranty? No. But was that a reason I bought it? Yes.

From my understanding, 7075 vibrates like a tuning fork, doesn't allow much, if any, flex in the riserand is a dog to machine. I'm not even gonna pretend to be a CNC machining expert, but I did read that somewhere.

Anyway, back on topic - whether or not the idea of a 3" brace height is doable, the idea of using 2 string suppressors (equidistant from the nockpoint) is very doable. I think it makes sense, too. Seems like if you're trying to eliminate vibration, you'd want to mirror the string slap at the bottom with another, similar force at the top.

Arthur P

Fortunately, I AM an expert in machining since I'm an aerospace machinist by trade. 7075 is a dream to machine. It's my favorite metal to work with. 6061 is really soft and kind of gummy and warps (stress relieves) like a sonuvagun if you take a heavy cut on just one side. Just so you'll know.

I'm trying to get across to you that the limbs are no better than you can get on any other bow in it's price range. The riser is no better. The limb pockets are no better. The strings and cables are no better. All the manufacturers have access to exactly the same technology. I just thought I'd take one more stab at trying to keep you from ruining a bow... or yourself.

I'd like to stay and play some more, but, after all this rain we've been having the sun's finally a'shinin' and the birds are chirpin'. I gotta get outside. It's time for me to head out to the range, meet up with my buddies and shoot some arrows.

Did you notice? I changed my signature in your honor.