bowhunting accuracy test?
07-04-2007, 11:38 AM
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RE: bowhunting accuracy test?
I DO know what you're saying...And you're right, as far as a killing shot the "5" was a better shot.....But if we're talking about score, which is what 3D is all about, the "5" is a bad shot....And if we're talking minimum scores and such, the 5 could leave a guy out of the hunt for the year, even though in a hunting situation it is perfect shot. Does that mean the guy that shot a 12 shouldn't get to go either, even though on a live animal it wasn't a good shot??
Just too many variables to make it an accurate test....And even if it could be done in an accurate and fair venue......It's still not a hunting situation. I know for a quartering away shot I need to hit farther back than broadside......Even after educating someone that maybe didn't know that, they still have to hit that spot....Sometimes they're just gonna miss.....it's a fact of life.
Just too many variables to make it an accurate test....And even if it could be done in an accurate and fair venue......It's still not a hunting situation. I know for a quartering away shot I need to hit farther back than broadside......Even after educating someone that maybe didn't know that, they still have to hit that spot....Sometimes they're just gonna miss.....it's a fact of life.
07-04-2007, 11:40 AM
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RE: bowhunting accuracy test?
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Have I seen a "quartering away" target? Yes.
Have I seen one with specific rings for scoring that type shot? No.
Have I seen a "quartering away" target? Yes.
Have I seen one with specific rings for scoring that type shot? No.
There were even a couple on the HNI 3D Smackdown course.
07-04-2007, 11:41 AM
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RE: bowhunting accuracy test?
Just too many variables to make it an accurate test....And even if it could be done in an accurate and fair venue......It's still not a hunting situation.
If you're judging a man based on his score (in the above scenario).....it's a disservice to the process.
07-04-2007, 11:57 AM
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RE: bowhunting accuracy test?
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07-04-2007, 11:59 AM
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RE: bowhunting accuracy test?
I think an accuracy test is a good thing. Last year I went on a deer management hunt. Part of qualifying was that you had to shoot 4 out of 5 arrows in an 8” circle @ 20 yards, and you have 2 tries at it (shot with hunting bow & arrows with broad heads). I think this was more than fair, for you and the deer.
The only thing that I don’t like about having accuracy test is if it became mandatory and it was government run we all could have problems. Lets say some tree and bunny huggers made the test so hard that only a few could pass. How many guys could shoot broad heads 40 or 50 yards and put 4 arrows in 8” group? Or a 3” group at 20 yards? Or what if there was only 1 date each year that you could take the shooting test, during the day and 250 miles from your home. Now I’m not saying that this would happen, but it could.
If we were to have testing we would have to find a way to keep it fair and not have someone use it for there own no hunting campaign.
So, even thou Im for accuracy test im not willing to run out and make it happen. We have to weigh the cause and effect that it can have.
The only thing that I don’t like about having accuracy test is if it became mandatory and it was government run we all could have problems. Lets say some tree and bunny huggers made the test so hard that only a few could pass. How many guys could shoot broad heads 40 or 50 yards and put 4 arrows in 8” group? Or a 3” group at 20 yards? Or what if there was only 1 date each year that you could take the shooting test, during the day and 250 miles from your home. Now I’m not saying that this would happen, but it could.
If we were to have testing we would have to find a way to keep it fair and not have someone use it for there own no hunting campaign.
So, even thou Im for accuracy test im not willing to run out and make it happen. We have to weigh the cause and effect that it can have.
07-04-2007, 12:13 PM
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RE: bowhunting accuracy test?
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I'd be more in favor of a required bowhunters' education course. During the course...... the importance of proficiency could be drilled into the students heads.
That's about as far as I'd go.
Stick a man on the ground and tell him to hit a plate @ 20 yds??? OK...I don't think that's going to weed out many people. Put him in a classroom of his peers.....and explain to him why we don't take quartering-to shots at any distance (etc..., etc..., etc...).....and you'll have educated him.
I'd rather educate him and take my chances he'll learn the importance of becoming "proficient".
I'd be more in favor of a required bowhunters' education course. During the course...... the importance of proficiency could be drilled into the students heads.
That's about as far as I'd go.
Stick a man on the ground and tell him to hit a plate @ 20 yds??? OK...I don't think that's going to weed out many people. Put him in a classroom of his peers.....and explain to him why we don't take quartering-to shots at any distance (etc..., etc..., etc...).....and you'll have educated him.
I'd rather educate him and take my chances he'll learn the importance of becoming "proficient".
07-04-2007, 12:19 PM
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RE: bowhunting accuracy test?
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Just an idea.... As I said I have no dog in this fight and am just throwing some ideas out.
What do you think about having each bowhunterparticipate inone 3D shoot per year.... having to average an 8 (largest vital ring) to secure their proficiency license? Perhaps allow them to shoot as many shoots as needed to pass the test?
Heck instead of every year maybe the proficiency license could be good for 2 or 3 years......
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Just an idea.... As I said I have no dog in this fight and am just throwing some ideas out.
What do you think about having each bowhunterparticipate inone 3D shoot per year.... having to average an 8 (largest vital ring) to secure their proficiency license? Perhaps allow them to shoot as many shoots as needed to pass the test?
Heck instead of every year maybe the proficiency license could be good for 2 or 3 years......
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07-04-2007, 12:31 PM
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RE: bowhunting accuracy test?
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Swamp
Lot's of good points in you post, thanks for the reply.
I can't believe that.... That is a very poor showing, however I am glad to see them out shooting.
I have shot many'a 3D shoots on the local, state and national level, I understand how weather, insects and other people can affect ones performance. I justdon't think averaging an 8 under almost any condition would be to much to ask for.On many targets an 8 covers 2-4 square feet or more.
Swamp
Lot's of good points in you post, thanks for the reply.
I'll bounce this off you too....an average of 8 makes a 30 target score of 240. the tournament I shot last week had 80+ shooters in bowhunter class...and only 30 or so of those shooters had over 240. Weather was as perfect as can be...hardly any wind. No bugs to speak of.
I have shot many'a 3D shoots on the local, state and national level, I understand how weather, insects and other people can affect ones performance. I justdon't think averaging an 8 under almost any condition would be to much to ask for.On many targets an 8 covers 2-4 square feet or more.
The worst I have ever done in bowhunter class with my hunting rig was a 259. But, I shoot a lot...and I practice a lot...and I can handle shooting in front of people I don't know or haven't shot with before. Thats somethign that takes a lot of practice, and some folks just never can do it.
Here is what I would like to see:
I'd like to see archery clubs, ranges, and especially state agencies take a pro-active role in "shooter" education. I think it would be great if game departments posted a recommended practice regimen...even just a suggestion...on what hunters should strive for. Some folks would take it seriously...others would scoff... just like seatbelt laws. But it would be pro-active. You can't expect everyone to hit homeruns on the company softball team...and if you strike out a couple of times....you shouldn't not be allowed to play. So I wouldn't want to see a state or anyone any where for that matter, make it so that if you drop a turkey target (where the 10 ring is the size of the 11 on most targets, and the 8 is about the size of the 10) then you can't bow hunt.... thats just haneous.
I have had to pass some very stringent shooting quals in order to cull deer... including shooting in the dark... stuff that almost makes you laugh.... but.... this is sort of extra curricular hunting. If you want to go to Harvard... you gotta take honors classes sort of thing.