"Kill" / "Harvest" / "PC"
06-10-2007, 08:40 PM
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RE: "Kill" / "Harvest" / "PC"
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
So, offensive words aren't the same situation at all? You don't purposely change the way you talk when your in front of your parents from the way you talk when your in front of your friends? When you grow up you will see that words can be very powerful, the same words can bring some to tears, some to anger and some to laughter. It just depends on who you say them in front of. Like you. You find my words amusing. Others find my words thought provoking and others find my words a little infuriating. Same words, just a different effect on different people.
ORIGINAL: Washington Hunter
Honestly?
Because I don't care. It isn't the same situation at all, and the fact that you think it is really amuses me. We aren't intentionally trying to offend someone, either. We're just not purposely changing the way we think/feel/speak in order to please someone else.
Anti-hunters don't call us murderers because we're "harvesting" animals.
Would we put a serial killer on death row for "harvesting" human beings? Yes.
Why?
Because he killed them.
Ohmygoodness Dan, what an extreme example. We're talking about animals here, not human beings!
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
The only thing I am trying to grasp here is, if you will modify your language and not cuss in front of someone because you do not want to offend them, is why you will intentionally offend someone because you want to say kill instead of harvest.
ORIGINAL: Washington Hunter
You're really grasping at straws here, Bruce.
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
I thought the convo was about using word(s) that may offend other people. In this case it would be kill instead of harvest. It is still about words that may offend others.
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
apples and oranges my friend .... you are talking about cussing and racial slurrs ... this convo is about using the word kill .... which is what we do ....
apples and oranges my friend .... you are talking about cussing and racial slurrs ... this convo is about using the word kill .... which is what we do ....
Because I don't care. It isn't the same situation at all, and the fact that you think it is really amuses me. We aren't intentionally trying to offend someone, either. We're just not purposely changing the way we think/feel/speak in order to please someone else.
Anti-hunters don't call us murderers because we're "harvesting" animals.
Would we put a serial killer on death row for "harvesting" human beings? Yes.
Why?
Because he killed them.
Ohmygoodness Dan, what an extreme example. We're talking about animals here, not human beings!
I'm done with the argument after that comment. Its obvious that my stance won't be taken seriously because I haven't "grown up."
06-10-2007, 08:45 PM
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RE: "Kill" / "Harvest" / "PC"
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
So if you know your words have infuriated some, why did you use THEM, but you wouldn't use the word KILL??
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
It just depends on who you say them in front of. Like you. You find my words amusing. Others find my words thought provoking and others find my words a little infuriating. Same words, just a different effect on different people.
It just depends on who you say them in front of. Like you. You find my words amusing. Others find my words thought provoking and others find my words a little infuriating. Same words, just a different effect on different people.
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06-10-2007, 08:45 PM
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RE: "Kill" / "Harvest" / "PC"
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
No, you don't cuss in front of everybody because you don't want to offend them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with cussing we just don't do it in front of everyone because we mayupset someone.
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
Killing is what we do ... there is NOTHING wrong with it ..... why on earth does it offend? Cussing IS wrong, being defined by the fact that you will NOT do it in front of everybody ....
Killing is what we do ... there is NOTHING wrong with it ..... why on earth does it offend? Cussing IS wrong, being defined by the fact that you will NOT do it in front of everybody ....
If you knew that talking about killing in front of a class of second graders would upset them would you still do it?
06-10-2007, 08:47 PM
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RE: "Kill" / "Harvest" / "PC"
Dan touched on it, and rarely is the day I give him credit, but hey.....
I don't say the word "kill" to intentionally offend anyone......If in the process I do, I don't really give a hoot, but I don't do it thinking I am going to tick someone off. But I'm not going to deliberately change my wording for fear of offending someone........Besides, it can't be done anyway. You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of time. Someone's gonna be offended somewhere in most cases.
When I was younger I did alter the way I spoke in front of my parents, but only because they would whoop my arse.....Fear of not being able to sit down for a week CAUSED me to change my wording.....
Being older in life I've learned to not really care if someone agrees or disagrees with me. True, some folks feelings matter to me more than others, but I'm not going to change my beliefs or language to please them.
GMMAT phrased his "speech" the way he felt was right. I can roll with that, but that's not the way I roll. Wow, that's got a nifty ring to it.....[8D]
I don't say the word "kill" to intentionally offend anyone......If in the process I do, I don't really give a hoot, but I don't do it thinking I am going to tick someone off. But I'm not going to deliberately change my wording for fear of offending someone........Besides, it can't be done anyway. You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of time. Someone's gonna be offended somewhere in most cases.
When I was younger I did alter the way I spoke in front of my parents, but only because they would whoop my arse.....Fear of not being able to sit down for a week CAUSED me to change my wording.....
Being older in life I've learned to not really care if someone agrees or disagrees with me. True, some folks feelings matter to me more than others, but I'm not going to change my beliefs or language to please them.
GMMAT phrased his "speech" the way he felt was right. I can roll with that, but that's not the way I roll. Wow, that's got a nifty ring to it.....[8D]
06-10-2007, 08:48 PM
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RE: "Kill" / "Harvest" / "PC"
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
No, I believe it to be wrong, and I don't do it in front of anyone.
I teach in a private school, and when I come back with a deer from hunting, all my 2nd graders, as well as the whole school, come running and ask me what I killed it with ...... I don't know any 2nd graders it would offend ....in fact, they think it's cool ...
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
No, you don't cuss in front of everybody because you don't want to offend them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with cussing we just don't do it in front of everyone because we mayupset someone.
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
Killing is what we do ... there is NOTHING wrong with it ..... why on earth does it offend? Cussing IS wrong, being defined by the fact that you will NOT do it in front of everybody ....
Killing is what we do ... there is NOTHING wrong with it ..... why on earth does it offend? Cussing IS wrong, being defined by the fact that you will NOT do it in front of everybody ....
If you knew that talking about killing in front of a class of second graders would upset them would you still do it?
06-10-2007, 08:51 PM
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RE: "Kill" / "Harvest" / "PC"
If you knew it would upset them would you do it anyway
I would maybe choose a different topic....
Yes, I would. Truth is truth, and that truth is sometimes upsetting, but it's still the truth. I would talk to them on their level, though, and not include any of the gore.
06-10-2007, 08:52 PM
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RE: "Kill" / "Harvest" / "PC"
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
Not what I asked you. I asked, If you knew it would upset them would you do it anyway.
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
No, I believe it to be wrong, and I don't do it in front of anyone.
I teach in a private school, and when I come back with a deer from hunting, all my 2nd graders, as well as the whole school, come running and ask me what I killed it with ...... I don't know any 2nd graders it would offend ....in fact, they think it's cool ...
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
No, you don't cuss in front of everybody because you don't want to offend them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with cussing we just don't do it in front of everyone because we mayupset someone.
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
Killing is what we do ... there is NOTHING wrong with it ..... why on earth does it offend? Cussing IS wrong, being defined by the fact that you will NOT do it in front of everybody ....
Killing is what we do ... there is NOTHING wrong with it ..... why on earth does it offend? Cussing IS wrong, being defined by the fact that you will NOT do it in front of everybody ....
If you knew that talking about killing in front of a class of second graders would upset them would you still do it?
06-10-2007, 08:53 PM
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RE: "Kill" / "Harvest" / "PC"
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
Would you say the word "kill" to intentionally offend someone?
ORIGINAL: mobowhuntr
I don't say the word "kill" to intentionally offend anyone......
I don't say the word "kill" to intentionally offend anyone......
06-10-2007, 09:00 PM
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RE: "Kill" / "Harvest" / "PC"
ORIGINAL: LouisianaTomkat
GMMAT, don't be the , what am I looking for, oh, don't be the wuss.
I think you did what "you" wanted to do because you wanted to get a message to someone. OK, but that does not mean that everyone has to be so "easy" just to be accepted to the public eye/ear. I have to agree with mobow on this one. I have lived in the country all my life and just about everyone for miles either hunts or fishes. They have always heard the word kill and have accepted it as a way of life. It's the panty-waisted Nancy-girl attitudes of these activists groups that have blurred the minds of people all along. Culture is one thing. The truth is another. If people who grew up in the city shielded from lifes cruel game of survival, then let them remain shielded if that is what they want. Predatorism is not a human against human scenario, but let the gangsta street "killing" be on the evening news and nobody gives a damn how many times the word "kill" is used. Let someone make a hunting video with the words "kill shot" in it and it gets no airplay. This says the truth about what is going on in our society. Nuff Said.
LT
GMMAT, don't be the , what am I looking for, oh, don't be the wuss.
I think you did what "you" wanted to do because you wanted to get a message to someone. OK, but that does not mean that everyone has to be so "easy" just to be accepted to the public eye/ear. I have to agree with mobow on this one. I have lived in the country all my life and just about everyone for miles either hunts or fishes. They have always heard the word kill and have accepted it as a way of life. It's the panty-waisted Nancy-girl attitudes of these activists groups that have blurred the minds of people all along. Culture is one thing. The truth is another. If people who grew up in the city shielded from lifes cruel game of survival, then let them remain shielded if that is what they want. Predatorism is not a human against human scenario, but let the gangsta street "killing" be on the evening news and nobody gives a damn how many times the word "kill" is used. Let someone make a hunting video with the words "kill shot" in it and it gets no airplay. This says the truth about what is going on in our society. Nuff Said.
LT