Horn Farming
04-10-2007, 05:19 AM
#11
Dominant Buck
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RE: Horn Farming
And you know I didn't mean that kind of hunting so don't try to start something.
I'm SURE you misunderstood me.....because I was agreeing with you. I plant my little food plot (I did, this year).....supplemental feed......but the deer I huntARE free-ranging.
I wasn't trying to start anything. I see your point.
04-10-2007, 05:23 AM
#12
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: May 2005
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RE: Horn Farming
My brother in law is my best friend and hunting buddy. We agree on most things in life. One area we disagree on is his deer farm. He raises and breeds whitetail deer and he constantly worries about the size of the rack. He intends to sell large racked bucks to other breeders and to ranches so they can have "hunters" harvest them. He will also sell straws of semen to other breeders. They really want to spread those good genetics if the price is right. To me, and this is strictly my opinion, what he is doing is no more than raising a different breed of cattle. Several of his fawns are bottle fed. When they end up on a "hunting" ranch how hard do you think they will be to kill? They guy that pulls the trigger will swell with pride and say" Wow! did you see the shot I put on that 190" monster? What a hunt! I owe it all to my great guide and the folks here at Big Buck Ranch". If its legal, well, more power to them. I will hunt with my brother in law still. But you can bet your bottom dollar it won't be at one of those places. Heck even wiyh a family discount I couldn't afford it anyway. Not that I would want to. No, I am a fair chase hunter.
My biggest problem with the whole QDM thing is its mostly quality rack managment in MY eyes and it is driving up the price of hunting to the point that blue collar guys like me have to rely more and more on crowded public land. I think it sucks.
My biggest problem with the whole QDM thing is its mostly quality rack managment in MY eyes and it is driving up the price of hunting to the point that blue collar guys like me have to rely more and more on crowded public land. I think it sucks.
04-10-2007, 05:31 AM
#13
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Horn Farming
Give me a break... he doesn't know if it's 6 1/2 or 5 1/2 unless the deer have names.
04-10-2007, 05:50 AM
#14
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Horn Farming
I see David's point. I don't have a problem with having standards and waiting for a bigger buck, but when all of the agriculture you have is to feed the deer, you have multiple feeders and man-made water holes and fence in the property with the sole intention of having people pay you to hunt your land you are selling deer. It may not be that you have a catalog such as some places, but nonetheless you are selling deer not hunts to a client. Now, this practice is legal and if you have the money that is your choice.However, this practice is also making hunting for the average Joe less accessible because as people see this as a means to make money more and more land is being bought up with the idea of turning it into a deer farm.
The Drurys and Kiskys practice this as well, but for their own use and they do not charge others or profit on selling deer. They manage their own property in a way that they want that allows them to best hunt it.
I think that we are approaching an era where eventually we will have to pay to hunt. I am keenly aware that hunting is a privelege, but to have to pay thousands of dollars each year for that so someone else can profit is extreme.
Lately there have been a lot of comparisons made between golf and bowhunting. This is another instance where hunting will be very much like golf. You want to play, you have to pay. That is the unfortunate future that I see.
The Drurys and Kiskys practice this as well, but for their own use and they do not charge others or profit on selling deer. They manage their own property in a way that they want that allows them to best hunt it.
I think that we are approaching an era where eventually we will have to pay to hunt. I am keenly aware that hunting is a privelege, but to have to pay thousands of dollars each year for that so someone else can profit is extreme.
Lately there have been a lot of comparisons made between golf and bowhunting. This is another instance where hunting will be very much like golf. You want to play, you have to pay. That is the unfortunate future that I see.
04-10-2007, 05:54 AM
#15
Fork Horn
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RE: Horn Farming
ORIGINAL: huntingson
QDM is about AGE and sex ratiosnot antler size, so he is not practicing QDM. He is, as you put it, farming for antlers. There is a big difference.
QDM is about AGE and sex ratiosnot antler size, so he is not practicing QDM. He is, as you put it, farming for antlers. There is a big difference.
PS: I'll figure out how to use the quote thing one of these days.
04-10-2007, 07:08 AM
#16
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Horn Farming
ORIGINAL: TJF
While it wouldn't be my cup of tea either to grow my deer... each their own.
We do however scout and hunt buckswith a certain score in mind. In that way I am no different then he is. The bucks herehave to survive the hard way to make it to maturity. I've shot enough young bucks in years past and we have ample does to fill the freezer. 150 - 160 Gross scored 5/6 ptsbucks are top of the line here. 135 to 150 Gross scored 4 pts are top of the line. These buckhave to bemature to score this well. That's what interests me.
Targetting certain bucks interest me.
While this might not be your cup of tea, it is mine. Since I hunt to makeme happy...tough if you or anyone elsedoesn't like it. Iwould thinkyou wouldfeel the same since you should be hunting to make you happy.
Tim
While it wouldn't be my cup of tea either to grow my deer... each their own.
We do however scout and hunt buckswith a certain score in mind. In that way I am no different then he is. The bucks herehave to survive the hard way to make it to maturity. I've shot enough young bucks in years past and we have ample does to fill the freezer. 150 - 160 Gross scored 5/6 ptsbucks are top of the line here. 135 to 150 Gross scored 4 pts are top of the line. These buckhave to bemature to score this well. That's what interests me.
Targetting certain bucks interest me.
While this might not be your cup of tea, it is mine. Since I hunt to makeme happy...tough if you or anyone elsedoesn't like it. Iwould thinkyou wouldfeel the same since you should be hunting to make you happy.
Tim
04-10-2007, 07:15 AM
#17
Dominant Buck
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RE: Horn Farming
The Drurys and Kiskys practice this as well, but for their own use and they do not charge others or profit on selling deer.
Do I have a problem with it? Nope. I don't have a problem with a black angus farmer raising the biggest cattle he can, either.
This is what TROPHY DEER MANAGEMENT has come to. I give them credit for finding a niche market. Is it "Fair Chase" hunting? Not for me to decide......but I'd say yes, again.
It is what it is, guys.
04-10-2007, 07:34 AM
#18
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Horn Farming
Jeff, although the Drury's, Lakosky's andKisky's manage for trophy antler and they do profit off these videos, "their" deer can walk off the property for others to harvest. Yes they do have deer named that they pass on year after year, but i dont feel its on the same level as what David was talking about.
Rob
Rob
04-10-2007, 07:36 AM
#19
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Horn Farming
GMMAT, I see your point and thought of that myself, but it is their property. They bought it own it and the making of their videos is them getting more return on their investment. Those folks hunt their properties hard and they get busted.
I also don't agree they grow deer for the SOLE purpose of filming their harvests. They grow deer to hunt and happen to also film their hunts and produce the videos for sale.
Ido agree that it is fair chase hunting. Private property, that they mangage without high fences. I doubt they would fair as well if they came with me to chase PA whitetails, but hey they would learn a thing or two about keeping still in the stand.
I also don't agree they grow deer for the SOLE purpose of filming their harvests. They grow deer to hunt and happen to also film their hunts and produce the videos for sale.
Ido agree that it is fair chase hunting. Private property, that they mangage without high fences. I doubt they would fair as well if they came with me to chase PA whitetails, but hey they would learn a thing or two about keeping still in the stand.