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Eggman, I recently switched back to my tried and true TM hunter ultimate from a dropaway that was having serious problems with side to side movement and vane clearance. It was shooting perfectly as it had already been center-shot adjusted when it was on the bow before. Arrow flight looked really good so I didn't paper tune it. I believe I hit that thick, fat part of the scapula on the top and rear of the bone. Looking at that deer anatomy link someone posted, that would perfectly line up with how it looked. It was sticking straight up lined up with the back edge of the leg. I pray that he survives. I didn't recover the arrow, so no evidence from it.

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davidmil

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> I spoke with people at NAP and they routinely break leg bones with Spitfires at 30 yards.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

I've been &quot;Routinely&quot; bowhunting for over 30 years. I've shot a lot of deer. But I've NEVER had the opportunity to <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>routinely break leg bones <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote><img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> When someone makes a statement like that I have to believe they were &quot;Routinely jerking your leg&quot;[

Eggman

Well, Davidmil that's what they said. They buy dead livestock and practice with them in their back range, pigs was one mentioned, could be that livestock have a weaker skeletal system, don't know. As you said maybe test conditions (barrels and plywood) don't perfectly mimic hunting conditions. That should be expected in any lab re-creation.

Myself, seeing that I was already a NAP customer, I tend to believe someone when they're being genuinely helpful and have absolutely nothing to sell me. . .

greg-dude

I am not proud to say this, but I shot a nice buck this year in the shoulder with a muzzy at under 20 yards. The result was no pentration and no deer. I am shooting a bow set at 63 lbs and it is tuned. The deer was almost broadside to me and I was up about 16 feet. The arrow broke on some limbs and the broadhead was still in it when it trotted away, after stopping for about 10 seconds about 50 yards away to see what had happened. Too much brush for a follow up shot, before someone makes a comment about it. It should have been a chip shot for me.

greg

BOWFANATIC

From what you've described , I believe that buck is still chasing tail out there.

I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that a mechanical head was the sole reason behind the problem. Could have been the type of mech head. There are other bad experience stories out there concerning the snyper. Fixed blade broadhead users have had terrible penetration on leg bones as well. If you were to tell me that last year you shot a fixed blade head (with your same setup) thru a shoulder bone with no problems , I'd cross that type of head off my list of things to try.
I will say it's pretty bold for NAP to say their spitfires routinely shoot thru leg bones , but I can vouche for the fact that with the right setup , it's possible.
In the following link , the bottom picture on the right shows the wound on the buck I shot this year. The 100gn NAP spitfire blew thru his leg and stopped in the leg on the opposite side. But , I should add though , with my current setup , I'd be willing to bet that if I would have had my muzzys on , I would have blown out the opposite leg as well.http://community.webshots.com/user/1bowfanatic

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It sounds to me like you hit the high ridge on the shoulder. It is very thick, especialy on larger deer. I don't any broadhead would have busted through. If you would hit 1&quot; either way you probably would have your deer now. As it stands I feel pretty confident in saying that while he will be uncomfortable for a while, he will still be runing around chasing does and driving bowhunters crazy!
I would not blame the broadhead. Shot placement was the problem here, and It has been my experience the ridge on the shoulder is almost impossible to penetrate with archery gear. It is several inches of solid bone. It is possible that another head May have done better, but I doubt it.

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