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Old 03-09-2007, 08:56 PM
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While I would agree most hunting shows have a great deal of commercialism, and quite understandably, I find it amusing one would assume all of the people are promoting products they really don't believe in. I bought ScentLok camo because I wanted to try it, not because I saw Michael Waddell, Tom Miranda, Cuz Strickland, Bill Jordan and countless others wearing it. Most of these guys seem like real good people. They promote plenty of products I don't use. I continue to use ScentLok not because I see someone wearing it but because of my experience in the field with it. Its similar to a Whisker Biscuit. You hear people saying it is junk and no way it works with fletching contact, yet it is probably the most popular and widely sold rest on the market. If the Whisker Biscuit and carbon clothing didn't perform to people's satisfaction they would not be enjoying the success they are. I only know 7 or 8 people who also use carbon and EVERY one of them love their clothes and will buy again. I've bought plenty of stuff, hunting and non-hunting, that I paid good money for only to figure out in a hurry it was junk or not as good as it sounded. So far, carbon clothing is not one of those products. I like watching almost all hunting shows but as far as watching an hour, or even a 30 minute infomercial on carbon clothng or just about any other product, no thanks. But I certainly wouldn't be calling anybody a sell-out. Especially people that do alot of charity work and give back to their communities.
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Old 03-09-2007, 09:46 PM
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Awesome question!! It is so ambivilent to watch a video of something you love be surrounded by total overpriced and unnecessary BS!!! It is a necessary evil I guess. To get a fix through the off season and be bombarded with crap is a pain in the rear. I think it is the only way they can get there shows on the air, to sell out I mean. Then again, most of the hosts are self indulgent idiots, themselves. Kudos to the thought process.
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Old 03-10-2007, 06:59 AM
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http://www.usfilter.com/en/Product+Lines/Westates_Carbon/Westates_Carbon_Services/westates_reactivation_service.htm
1600 degrees to reactivate carbon. I believe our clothes would melt. A person can google reactivation of carbon and read a plenty of information on the subject. As far as letting someone advertise their name on a show,IMO that is one thing, but to do a half an hour infomercial or try to own the show for an agenda is another. Like I said,"snake oil" and a consumer rippoff.
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Old 03-10-2007, 07:05 AM
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Will your show be promoting the things that you feel work or who will sponser you?

Let's say Summitt wants to sponser you and you can't get Lone wolf you going to turn them dowm.

I've seen hosts shooting the best bow one year and then the best bow the next year but all the sudden it's a different brand.

Hunting shows are a buisness.
Summit stands are great and a PROVEN product. They don't sell something that has been scientifically proven to not work. Big difference CP. I am talking about snake oil, not a treestand or blind company. Treestands and ground blinds are proven products and some work better than others. Like I said, if it wasn't common scientific knowledge that carbon needs 1600 degress to reactivate, I would be ordering my Gray Wolf Woolens with a carbon liner. I would also have carbon long underwear; the entire ensemble. Snake oil.
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Old 03-10-2007, 07:07 AM
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Hardcore,
The only test I saw that made me think this stuff works is when I put the material over an open bottle of perfume. You couldn't smell the perfume through the carbon. Now would it still do that after it needed to be reactivated in your home dryer? That I don't know for sure.

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I just put a cotton T-shirt over the top of a cologne bottle and I too couldn't smell anything through it. Just the front and back of the shirt(two layers). Layers is secret not the carbon.
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Old 03-10-2007, 07:18 AM
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If this carbon clothing was proven to work I would have gladly dished out the extra $ to have it put in my Gray Wolf Woolens order. All I ever see is testimonials that carbon works. For every guy that swears it helped him get a deer there is another guy that hunts in carharts or bluejeans and smokes on stand. I will just keep using the wind to hunt and thanks for your replies everybody. Somebody please pm me when the carbon clothing manufacturers have a clothing that can handle 1600 degrees and post the price of a dryer capable of producing this heat. Thank you.
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Old 03-10-2007, 07:22 AM
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I feel that young and novice hunters feel that just because these "hunting stars" are promoting these carbon products or other snake oils on TV that they are taking advantage of the inexperienced and novice hunter.
That's true for a whole lot more then Carbon clothing.
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Old 03-10-2007, 08:26 AM
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I'll stick to staying downwind.....You can't go wrong. Many great bucks have been taken before carbon clothing.
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Old 03-10-2007, 08:44 AM
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I'll stick to staying downwind.....You can't go wrong. Many great bucks have been taken before carbon clothing.
Best method on the planet.........will never be improved apon!....... Hunting is just becomming a big business like bass fishing, golf etc. I personally watch some shows for the entertainment value but disregard the ads like on any commercial television show. I'm against anything that prices the average Joe out of his sport, some day we may have to pay by the hour to hunt.
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Old 03-10-2007, 08:56 AM
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Thanks, stand for something or you will fall for anything. We don't need money bad enough to sell out my hunting friends or the hunting community. My wife and I are both leaning more towards the DVD business as we don't have to pimp products we don't believe in. We are finishing up our 1st DVD and hope to have two more completed from our planned hunts this upcoming year. Trade shows the upcoming year and if sponsors want a husband/wife Iowa couple that have integrity and want to be part of fairchase real life hunting hunting Video Production, they will jump in and sponsor us. This is a sideline business and we see no need or do we have the desire to do a show promoting something we do not believe in. Our #1 priority is to promote couples and women into the world of bowhunting. I am convinced that when people see our hunts, they will be impressed. The sponsors will follow if it is meant to be. We spend so much money a year on hunting; bows, gear, license fees, fuel, lodging, taxidermy etc..that we decided in October of this last year to turn hunting into a business. I am lucky in the fact that I have a wife that is beautiful and passionate about bowhunting. Many women will shoot a bow, but very few have the ability to kill with one. In a year and a half since Sarah was introduced into archery, she has taken two nice whitetail bucks, one doe, a big Canadian bear, and a coyote. This upcoming year we will be elk hunting, turkey, whitetail, hogs, and bowfishing carp. I am lucky and thank God everyday for all that we have.
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