Do number of deer kills confirm thorough skills?
12-05-2002, 06:35 PM
#22
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RE: Do number of deer kills confirm thorough skills?
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Do you believe that the number of deer a bowhunter has killed, or a kill or an occasional killing of a quality buck, indisputably attests that the person is thoroughly skilled in all aspects of archery and bowhunting deer?
Post your answer and opinions.
Edited by - c903 on 12/05/2002 09:19:35
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When someone harvests deer year after year without wounding or missing (except the occasional mishap) , that person is doing all the important aspects required by a bowhunter right. I've seen lucky hunters , but not year after year. I would say that someone who has killed as many deer with a bow as davidmil is "thoroughly skilled" , yes.
At the same time I'd say that there are alot of "thoroughly skilled" bowhunters who dont have the high number of kills for different reasons.
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Do you believe that the number of deer a bowhunter has killed, or a kill or an occasional killing of a quality buck, indisputably attests that the person is thoroughly skilled in all aspects of archery and bowhunting deer?
Post your answer and opinions.
Edited by - c903 on 12/05/2002 09:19:35
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When someone harvests deer year after year without wounding or missing (except the occasional mishap) , that person is doing all the important aspects required by a bowhunter right. I've seen lucky hunters , but not year after year. I would say that someone who has killed as many deer with a bow as davidmil is "thoroughly skilled" , yes.
At the same time I'd say that there are alot of "thoroughly skilled" bowhunters who dont have the high number of kills for different reasons.
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12-05-2002, 07:48 PM
#23
Typical Buck
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RE: Do number of deer kills confirm thorough skills?
WOW, Great question and thread.
I have now ,so far, to date taken 68 deer with a bow, I am 35 years old, I hunt very little private land and have taken 90% of my deer on public land. I do beleive that it has alot to do with "preraration meeting oppertunity" and throw in a little luck and some skill. The skill comes from homework, homework in shooting to acheive accuracy and in the way of getting to know your prey. Become one with your prey and it will make you a better hunter. I do not shoot in tournaments so I am not that good of a bow shooter, but I shoot to be skillful at harvesting deer. I put alot of time in the woods patterning deer, learning where they go and how they get there,learning the areas of land and how deer use it. I smoke so I know I am not invisible to them, I hunt high for this reason, I watch all deer and their reaction to calls and their surroundings so I will know what to do if they are out of range as to try to lure them into range. I don't focus my time and energy on how fast my bow is, only that it is accurate and then my time goes into the woods and their enviroment. I have a "you can't win if you don't play" attitude. You can sit at home or only hunt on the week-ends and still get deer, not as many as if you hunt everyday after work, or any and every free couple hours you have. I am not a great hunter, but I am confident that I am a good hunter and fair. I have had a few years where only one deer was taken ,that messes with you, but then come back the next season and take 6. I recover almost all my deer, I have lost only 4 in 12 years of hunting, but I dont give up looking either, and get as much help as is available at the time looking for a "hit" deer. Numbers look good but too many factors play into it. I have never taken a 150 class buck, I have a few wallhangers but no 150+ , and I would not trade my many memories of the first spike ,4, 6 and 8 points and does I have taken with a bow for a 150 clas deer ever. Yet I see guys and know guys that take a P&Y every year and concider them really good hunters. Go Figure.... I reconize that they must have the oppertunities to take alot more. I respect them for that and their abilities. Not by how many they take but the quality of their take.
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I have now ,so far, to date taken 68 deer with a bow, I am 35 years old, I hunt very little private land and have taken 90% of my deer on public land. I do beleive that it has alot to do with "preraration meeting oppertunity" and throw in a little luck and some skill. The skill comes from homework, homework in shooting to acheive accuracy and in the way of getting to know your prey. Become one with your prey and it will make you a better hunter. I do not shoot in tournaments so I am not that good of a bow shooter, but I shoot to be skillful at harvesting deer. I put alot of time in the woods patterning deer, learning where they go and how they get there,learning the areas of land and how deer use it. I smoke so I know I am not invisible to them, I hunt high for this reason, I watch all deer and their reaction to calls and their surroundings so I will know what to do if they are out of range as to try to lure them into range. I don't focus my time and energy on how fast my bow is, only that it is accurate and then my time goes into the woods and their enviroment. I have a "you can't win if you don't play" attitude. You can sit at home or only hunt on the week-ends and still get deer, not as many as if you hunt everyday after work, or any and every free couple hours you have. I am not a great hunter, but I am confident that I am a good hunter and fair. I have had a few years where only one deer was taken ,that messes with you, but then come back the next season and take 6. I recover almost all my deer, I have lost only 4 in 12 years of hunting, but I dont give up looking either, and get as much help as is available at the time looking for a "hit" deer. Numbers look good but too many factors play into it. I have never taken a 150 class buck, I have a few wallhangers but no 150+ , and I would not trade my many memories of the first spike ,4, 6 and 8 points and does I have taken with a bow for a 150 clas deer ever. Yet I see guys and know guys that take a P&Y every year and concider them really good hunters. Go Figure.... I reconize that they must have the oppertunities to take alot more. I respect them for that and their abilities. Not by how many they take but the quality of their take.
Hunting ; an act of love for nature guided by the strongest spiritual forces.
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12-06-2002, 03:59 AM
#24
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Do number of deer kills confirm thorough skills?
Absolutely not!
In Florida at WMA's the state keeps track of the deer that are taken every year and they keep track of how many people go hunting. At one WMA there are 100 man days per deer taken, meaning it takes 100 hunters to get one deer.
At a different WMA it's a different story. It is 3 man days per deer. 3 hunter go in and one deer come out.
Does this mean the people at the 2nd WMA are more skilled? Not hardly. It just means there are more deer in that area.
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In Florida at WMA's the state keeps track of the deer that are taken every year and they keep track of how many people go hunting. At one WMA there are 100 man days per deer taken, meaning it takes 100 hunters to get one deer.
At a different WMA it's a different story. It is 3 man days per deer. 3 hunter go in and one deer come out.
Does this mean the people at the 2nd WMA are more skilled? Not hardly. It just means there are more deer in that area.
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12-06-2002, 06:24 AM
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RE: Do number of deer kills confirm thorough skills?
Some observations of this years harvest of my friends who deer hunt! Out of 19 people who I personally know that hunt whitetails, 12 of us use some sort of archery tackle too hunt deer right from the start of season.
Of these 12 we had a total of 15 tags to fill this year, all have been filled, a few(4) during archery season, and the rest were filled in various firearm seasons. The other group of 7 who do not archery hunt, but hunted 1 week of firearms together in the same area as most of the 12, did not score on a deer this year!! Theres got to be some correlation between the success of the archers than those who dont use stick and string!
Of these 12 we had a total of 15 tags to fill this year, all have been filled, a few(4) during archery season, and the rest were filled in various firearm seasons. The other group of 7 who do not archery hunt, but hunted 1 week of firearms together in the same area as most of the 12, did not score on a deer this year!! Theres got to be some correlation between the success of the archers than those who dont use stick and string!
12-06-2002, 12:12 PM
#26
Typical Buck
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RE: Do number of deer kills confirm thorough skills?
I dont think so, I can only hunt on the average of one day per week,and then its a 300 mile round trip. The deer counts are calculated at about 15 deer per 1000 acres!...thats not alot of deer. If you take that and compare it to my co worker who takes two weeks off every year and hunts south Texas where the deer count is more like 20 deer per Acre and fills all of his tags every year...who really is the better hunter? He is def the richest hunter out of the bunch...thats all that proves.
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12-06-2002, 12:44 PM
#27
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RE: Do number of deer kills confirm thorough skills?
I'm just wondering here is the question of the topic is "Who is a better skilled, someone who shoots a large number of dear or someone who doesn't" or "do the number of kills confirm thorough skills"?
I would still say that someone who has killed many deer with a bow does have skills. I don't see the word "kills" being defined though. Does that mean 50 double lunged deer, does it mean 0 double lunged deer and 50 gut shot deer recovered, does it mean 50 recovered deer and 0 unrecovered or does it mean 1 recovered and 49 not recovered. From the information given I have to say a large number of deer kills means that the bow hunter is doing sometinhg right.
Are the skill as refined as someone who doesn't kill as many deer? Not necessarily.
I would still say that someone who has killed many deer with a bow does have skills. I don't see the word "kills" being defined though. Does that mean 50 double lunged deer, does it mean 0 double lunged deer and 50 gut shot deer recovered, does it mean 50 recovered deer and 0 unrecovered or does it mean 1 recovered and 49 not recovered. From the information given I have to say a large number of deer kills means that the bow hunter is doing sometinhg right.
Are the skill as refined as someone who doesn't kill as many deer? Not necessarily.
12-06-2002, 01:22 PM
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RE: Do number of deer kills confirm thorough skills?
BobCo
Be thankful you were typing that post rather than speaking it. You would have accidently severed your tongue.
Would you mind untangling that line and throwing it again?
Edited by - c903 on 12/06/2002 14:23:46
Be thankful you were typing that post rather than speaking it. You would have accidently severed your tongue.
Would you mind untangling that line and throwing it again?
Edited by - c903 on 12/06/2002 14:23:46