The subjective nature of what is considered "hunting" vs "shooting"
02-01-2007, 07:09 PM
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RE: The subjective nature of what is considered "hunting" vs "shooting"
ORIGINAL: rybohunter
It's all hunting, but there are certainly varying degrees of difficulty, perception and shooting skill required.
It's all hunting, but there are certainly varying degrees of difficulty, perception and shooting skill required.
02-01-2007, 07:14 PM
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RE: The subjective nature of what is considered "hunting" vs "shooting"
ORIGINAL: indianahunter83
I define hunting as fair chase
I define hunting as fair chase
un baited,
Do you consider food plots, scents, and calls as "bait"??
and shots inside of 100 yards. IMO
02-01-2007, 07:18 PM
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RE: The subjective nature of what is considered "hunting" vs "shooting"
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
Yes IMO .... Fair chase
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So..........is it the fence that makes it not "hunting"??
If so why?
ORIGINAL: goherd1111
If its not high fenced and the animal is taken legally and ethically its hunting! JMHO!!!!!
If its not high fenced and the animal is taken legally and ethically its hunting! JMHO!!!!!
If so why?
02-01-2007, 07:21 PM
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RE: The subjective nature of what is considered "hunting" vs "shooting"
ORIGINAL: atlasman
So a 10,000 acre fenced ranch is the same as a 50 acre fenced pen in your opinion?
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
Yes IMO .... Fair chase
ORIGINAL: atlasman
So..........is it the fence that makes it not "hunting"??
If so why?
ORIGINAL: goherd1111
If its not high fenced and the animal is taken legally and ethically its hunting! JMHO!!!!!
If its not high fenced and the animal is taken legally and ethically its hunting! JMHO!!!!!
If so why?
02-01-2007, 07:21 PM
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RE: The subjective nature of what is considered "hunting" vs "shooting"
ORIGINAL: atlasman
In what way?? It embarress me.I don't want to be associated with them and feel that any explaining (defending)I have to do at all to people (antis)about hunting is because of their shows. What they show andI expierence in the woods are completely opposite.
Interesting...........are the guys on TV that make you sick "hunting" (in your opinion?) No IMO they are not. They are marketing. They arelazy soft handed sissys. Always after the easy target and making a fool of themselves after the kill. Just my opinion but I would enjoy loosening their grill.
That is the million dollar question.
ORIGINAL: MOTOWNHONKEY
What I see on T.V really makes me sick.
What I see on T.V really makes me sick.
For me it is doing the scouting, hanging the stands, clearing the lanes, and most of all enjoying every minute I get to do it. Someone who pays a guide to hunt is still hunting, they are just not hunting the way I enjoy it.
As long as it is legal and on free ranging animals, we have to call it hunting don't we?
02-01-2007, 07:35 PM
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RE: The subjective nature of what is considered "hunting" vs "shooting"
ORIGINAL: atlasman
Where do outfitters fall under this umbrella??........tons of work is done for sure, just not by the guy in the stand. Does this make the outfitter the "hunter" and the guy in the stand a "shooter"??
What if you were to head to a friends place and he says "I got a sweet stand for ya tomorrow morning". Would you feel like you were not "hunting"?
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
Well said ... I think the amount of time and work we spend before we are finally sitting in our stand, makes the taking of an animal that much more satifying ... all that constitutes hunting IMO ...
Well said ... I think the amount of time and work we spend before we are finally sitting in our stand, makes the taking of an animal that much more satifying ... all that constitutes hunting IMO ...
Where do outfitters fall under this umbrella??........tons of work is done for sure, just not by the guy in the stand. Does this make the outfitter the "hunter" and the guy in the stand a "shooter"??
What if you were to head to a friends place and he says "I got a sweet stand for ya tomorrow morning". Would you feel like you were not "hunting"?
So to answer you question, I would absolutely still call it hunting. Shooting is something definite IMO ... like those bozos that were shooting at the turkey tied in front of a target, or Houston in a small fenced area as guys herd deer towards him .... that's shooting IMO
02-01-2007, 07:39 PM
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RE: The subjective nature of what is considered "hunting" vs "shooting"
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Not to sway off topic, but if you hunt on 2000 acres fenced or not it doesnt make a difference. The only thing I feel the fence does is let you have perfect management. You are still going to have to scout the same way.
Not to sway off topic, but if you hunt on 2000 acres fenced or not it doesnt make a difference. The only thing I feel the fence does is let you have perfect management. You are still going to have to scout the same way.
This is one of the things that I find very interesting.........the fixation on a fence being out there somewhere immediately dismisses any notion of "hunting" in some people's opinions (not saying that is right or wrong).
I don't know what to think about it..........I have a hard time understanding why someone inside a 10,000 acre fenced ranch is not "hunting" but someone sitting in the suburbs where 40 deer have 30 acres of thin woods to live in is "hunting"
That is one of the reasons I asked if the fence was a deal breaker in some people's opinions...........I am sure there are no shortage of guys on this site that know a place to go where the only way you won't kill a deer is if you miss. Inside a fence a "guarantee" is a source of disdain, but with no fence around the same situation is looked at as a "honey hole"
There is a place in NY that is state land and it is an island.........3,000 acres accessable by bridge or water. The state considers this "hunting".................the only difference I see is the fence there is made of water instead of chain link.
02-01-2007, 07:43 PM
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RE: The subjective nature of what is considered "hunting" vs "shooting"
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
I would still need to do the necessary thing to take the deer if he came by: Stay qiet, draw at the proper time, aim properly, etc... so I would still be hunting IMO, however the taking of the animal, though satifying, would not be as much as if I did the work myself .... but that's me.
So to answer you question, I would absolutely still call it hunting. Shooting is something definite IMO ... like those bozos that were shooting at the turkey tied in front of a target, or Houston in a small fenced area as guys herd deer towards him .... that's shooting IMO
ORIGINAL: atlasman
Where do outfitters fall under this umbrella??........tons of work is done for sure, just not by the guy in the stand. Does this make the outfitter the "hunter" and the guy in the stand a "shooter"??
What if you were to head to a friends place and he says "I got a sweet stand for ya tomorrow morning". Would you feel like you were not "hunting"?
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
Well said ... I think the amount of time and work we spend before we are finally sitting in our stand, makes the taking of an animal that much more satifying ... all that constitutes hunting IMO ...
Well said ... I think the amount of time and work we spend before we are finally sitting in our stand, makes the taking of an animal that much more satifying ... all that constitutes hunting IMO ...
Where do outfitters fall under this umbrella??........tons of work is done for sure, just not by the guy in the stand. Does this make the outfitter the "hunter" and the guy in the stand a "shooter"??
What if you were to head to a friends place and he says "I got a sweet stand for ya tomorrow morning". Would you feel like you were not "hunting"?
So to answer you question, I would absolutely still call it hunting. Shooting is something definite IMO ... like those bozos that were shooting at the turkey tied in front of a target, or Houston in a small fenced area as guys herd deer towards him .... that's shooting IMO
02-01-2007, 07:46 PM
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RE: The subjective nature of what is considered "hunting" vs "shooting"
ORIGINAL: goherd1111
I agree with the fair chase part for sure. But baiting is legal in some areas and taking an animal with arifle at more than a hundred yards is a necesityin some areas.
I agree with the fair chase part for sure. But baiting is legal in some areas and taking an animal with arifle at more than a hundred yards is a necesityin some areas.
However, as long as we abide by the laws and take fair chase animals it has to becalled hunting.
02-01-2007, 08:07 PM
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RE: The subjective nature of what is considered "hunting" vs "shooting"
MAny posts mentioned the time scouting, hanging stands, and work put in before season as hunting. My question is what about when you go w/ a friend to his property and hunt out of his stand, you did no partthe preseason stuff,Is this still hunting??? Or what about a child who goes with his dad, this child has done nothing but sight in their rifle or bow, is that hunting?
In my book they both are hunting. I also believe that the size of the fence does matter? Heck, we're all hunting captive deer if you think about it, captive within north america.
In my book they both are hunting. I also believe that the size of the fence does matter? Heck, we're all hunting captive deer if you think about it, captive within north america.