string loop or not
01-13-2007, 12:50 AM
#11
Site Bouncer
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Location: Illinois
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RE: string loop or not
Beezer,
I suspect you either had the wrong loop material, improper melt of the ends or it was not tied correctly. I have yet to see a string loop properly cut, melted and installed fail..........I could be wrong, but I'd bet against it. That being said, the release you are referring to is called a James Greene Gator Jaw release....it's been around a long time.
Lastly, I suspect you will find out that in the long run thatT.R.U. Ball T.R.U.-Nok will not be as trustworthy as a string loop. It will also not be as forgiving as one either. Not as far as torque is concerned nor wear on your release.
It will work, but I feel there are far better options out there.
Good Luck
I suspect you either had the wrong loop material, improper melt of the ends or it was not tied correctly. I have yet to see a string loop properly cut, melted and installed fail..........I could be wrong, but I'd bet against it. That being said, the release you are referring to is called a James Greene Gator Jaw release....it's been around a long time.
Lastly, I suspect you will find out that in the long run thatT.R.U. Ball T.R.U.-Nok will not be as trustworthy as a string loop. It will also not be as forgiving as one either. Not as far as torque is concerned nor wear on your release.
It will work, but I feel there are far better options out there.
Good Luck
01-13-2007, 01:05 AM
#12
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Harford Co Maryland USA
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RE: string loop or not
In addition to the reasons already listed . . . I put one on to avoid wear and tear on my serving. A cut serving in the field due to excess release wear ain't cool!
01-13-2007, 06:51 AM
#14
Fork Horn
Join Date: Oct 2006
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RE: string loop or not
Beezer:
I have to agree with BigJ12. A properlyinstalled loopout ofthe correct material shouldn't slip, as the pressure from drawing back an arrow actually makes the loop tighter on the bow string.
I have to agree with BigJ12. A properlyinstalled loopout ofthe correct material shouldn't slip, as the pressure from drawing back an arrow actually makes the loop tighter on the bow string.
01-13-2007, 06:51 AM
#15
Fork Horn
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RE: string loop or not
i went to the shop last night and got my new bow set up and i had a string loop added.i asked the guy since i did not see any nocks added only the loop if it would move at all he said definitely not.the more i shoot at first the tighter it will get.i shot a half dozen times at the shop and really like it never had a loop in all my years of shooting.from what i see it is a very strong stiff material anyway i see i will like the loop!
01-13-2007, 06:58 AM
#16
Typical Buck
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RE: string loop or not
Right materiel, tied right, meltedand everything, one side of it just slipped. I didn't tie it, someone else did. As a fisherman, I always believe in a small amount of line left on the tie ends so that it has room to settle and slip slightly with pressure so the line tightens on itself before it can slip lose. There was no over tie on it, the melt was as tight to string as possible. I didn't question it because I'm new to bows and he is experienced. Next one I'll tie, and I know what to do to feel safe with my equipment. Besides, I'd rather be solely responsible for a failure than to have to argue someone else's experience and job quality with them. Thanks for the info on the other release though, are they expensive and are theyworth the money? Basically, is the Gator Jaw release a good route to go or is it's usefulness not worth the trouble compared to a string loop and regular release?
01-13-2007, 07:13 AM
#17
Fork Horn
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RE: string loop or not
Beezer:
When you do tie your own loop take a look at this. Kudos to BigJ12 for posting this in the Technical section.I think this will solve all your Problems with the loop. And, again all the credit goes to BigJ12.
When you do tie your own loop take a look at this. Kudos to BigJ12 for posting this in the Technical section.I think this will solve all your Problems with the loop. And, again all the credit goes to BigJ12.
I posted this a while back so I just copied it to here, If melted and tied correctly with the correct material, a string loop will not come loose. I think they are a must for shorter AtoA bows.
This is how I tie my nock sets as well as my string loop. I like a very small loop so it's a little harder to tie. If you like a slightly longer loop it will be easier.
Here you go:
I start out with a 4 3/4 in piece of loop material. I have found that Allen makes a great string loop material, it burns good, does not stretch and holds it's shape very well.
After I cut my loop to length I burn both ends into a nice big melted ball. I like to do this off of the bow as it gives me more control of the melt. If the flame is too close it will burn the end leaving a burnt charred like appearance. This is not good as it will make the end weak and could break. The end should melt but never catch fire.
Next I locate my nock position and tie in my first nock set. I tie the nock just like you would any knot but instead of a complete knot I only tie half, then wrap the serving material around the bow string and tie again. I repeat this till I have done it 5 times (you can do more of less) the last knot is a full square not to keep it in place. I cut the ends and ment into place.
I then slip on an arrow nock to give me my proper spacing and tie the second nock set. Once that is done I am ready to tie on the loop. This is a little difficult especially if you have big hands like me, but if I can do it anybody can.
I tie the first knot on the outside of my tied on nock and pull it as tight as I can. I do this by wrapping the loop material around a screwdriver and pull (like a "T" Handle), I then lay theuntied end down on the string over my second tied on nock. I tie the second knot. This one will be difficult because there is not alot of material to work with, you will end up pushing the melted ball through the knot. Take your time and don't get frustrated.
After it's tied you will have no loop to speak of but after you pull it some it will take shape. I use a pair of needle nose pliers to spread the loop and get it tight. After that I knock an arrow, attach my release and pull. I don't pull it all the way into the let off because I want as much weight to cinch the knot. Make sure you are pointing your bow in a safe direction.
It's important to make sure you tie your string loop in opposite directions so the melted balls are on opposite sides of the string.
When done it will look like this:
As you can see there is just enough room to put my release on once an arrow is nocked.
Good luck and remember it will take time to get that second knot tied on but this way you will be assured a nice small loop.
This is what it looks like with the release attached:
This is how I tie my nock sets as well as my string loop. I like a very small loop so it's a little harder to tie. If you like a slightly longer loop it will be easier.
Here you go:
I start out with a 4 3/4 in piece of loop material. I have found that Allen makes a great string loop material, it burns good, does not stretch and holds it's shape very well.
After I cut my loop to length I burn both ends into a nice big melted ball. I like to do this off of the bow as it gives me more control of the melt. If the flame is too close it will burn the end leaving a burnt charred like appearance. This is not good as it will make the end weak and could break. The end should melt but never catch fire.
Next I locate my nock position and tie in my first nock set. I tie the nock just like you would any knot but instead of a complete knot I only tie half, then wrap the serving material around the bow string and tie again. I repeat this till I have done it 5 times (you can do more of less) the last knot is a full square not to keep it in place. I cut the ends and ment into place.
I then slip on an arrow nock to give me my proper spacing and tie the second nock set. Once that is done I am ready to tie on the loop. This is a little difficult especially if you have big hands like me, but if I can do it anybody can.
I tie the first knot on the outside of my tied on nock and pull it as tight as I can. I do this by wrapping the loop material around a screwdriver and pull (like a "T" Handle), I then lay theuntied end down on the string over my second tied on nock. I tie the second knot. This one will be difficult because there is not alot of material to work with, you will end up pushing the melted ball through the knot. Take your time and don't get frustrated.
After it's tied you will have no loop to speak of but after you pull it some it will take shape. I use a pair of needle nose pliers to spread the loop and get it tight. After that I knock an arrow, attach my release and pull. I don't pull it all the way into the let off because I want as much weight to cinch the knot. Make sure you are pointing your bow in a safe direction.
It's important to make sure you tie your string loop in opposite directions so the melted balls are on opposite sides of the string.
When done it will look like this:
As you can see there is just enough room to put my release on once an arrow is nocked.
Good luck and remember it will take time to get that second knot tied on but this way you will be assured a nice small loop.
This is what it looks like with the release attached:
01-13-2007, 07:18 AM
#18
Typical Buck
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RE: string loop or not
The melt is where I think the problem was with mine. I believe it was too close and the string was probably burned rather than melted, which meant that it was small enough and possibly separated enough to slip through. That, along with another post that shows an illustration of the tie are very helpful. In all, the tie just appears to be a modified version of the figure-8 knot I use for fishing, the know actually tightens with pressure to prevent slipping. Thanks guys, you're all being very helpful here.
01-13-2007, 07:54 AM
#19
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RE: string loop or not
The best thing to do is try one and find out if you like it. Some do, some don't. Some of my bows have them, some of them don't. I shoot just as well either way. Don't believe the hype about a loop suddenly making you more accurate. It may, but don't count on it. It has more to do with how well you shoot.
Keep in mind it changes the tune of your bow and it may need to be re-tuned. Your arrow reacts different when it is released with a loop compared to when there isn't one. Sort of like the difference between using fingers and a release. Not as major though. If you bow suddenly shoots better when you put a loop on my guess is you were either slightly under spined or you improved your knocking point a bit when you switched.
It will also change how the bow feels when you draw it. Becuase of the loop it will feel like it draws a bit farther and may change the way you have to anchor your bow. Some like a shorter release head when using a loop. And some releases just don't like loops (fletch hunters for one). You may also have to move your peep sight as well.
If your serious about using one, give it some time to get used to it. Anything you change in archery will feel funny at first.
Paul
Keep in mind it changes the tune of your bow and it may need to be re-tuned. Your arrow reacts different when it is released with a loop compared to when there isn't one. Sort of like the difference between using fingers and a release. Not as major though. If you bow suddenly shoots better when you put a loop on my guess is you were either slightly under spined or you improved your knocking point a bit when you switched.
It will also change how the bow feels when you draw it. Becuase of the loop it will feel like it draws a bit farther and may change the way you have to anchor your bow. Some like a shorter release head when using a loop. And some releases just don't like loops (fletch hunters for one). You may also have to move your peep sight as well.
If your serious about using one, give it some time to get used to it. Anything you change in archery will feel funny at first.
Paul