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11-29-2002, 08:44 AM
#61
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Fredericksburg Virginia USA
Posts: 13,672
RE: Trophy Hunting?
david was the <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> in regards to a logical question that could give justification in taking a scrub buck? I will be interested in the replies I get, one place I hunt has that exact scenario, the monster 6 beams are like my wrist, I have seen him once and trust me if someone got this guy it would be the word of the town.
The Tazman aka Martin Price
Founder and President of
Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club
The Tazman aka Martin Price
Founder and President of
Virginia Disabled Outdoorsmen Club
11-29-2002, 08:50 AM
#62
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 3,903
RE: Trophy Hunting?
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Final word??
I don't think so.
Remember, we are all part time hunters at best, no matter how much time we spend in the woods.
I am still looking for good reasons why experienced hunters need to take small, inferior bucks. Several questions that I have posed in response, have yet to be answered by anyone in favor of taking small bucks.
Just trying to defend my view of this friendly debate.......
Anyone??
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<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> I answered your question with several ligitimate scenarios. Your beginning to chase your tail.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> You started off by saying we should feel guilty for shooting small bucks when our neighbor doesn't see any bucks. When I responded that in alot of farm areas , mine in particular , the neighbors shoot anything , you turned it around (threw mud in my face) and said that "if the neihbors dont give a darn , neither should you?"<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>
Getting in a friendly debate is healthy , but it burns my backside when someone asks questions in behalf of their opinion , and then doesn't bother to acknowlege honest legitimate answers<img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle> BTW , the states who now have antler point restrictions , do you think they have the restrictions in place to strictly produce trophy bucks<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>
Final word??
I don't think so.
Remember, we are all part time hunters at best, no matter how much time we spend in the woods.
I am still looking for good reasons why experienced hunters need to take small, inferior bucks. Several questions that I have posed in response, have yet to be answered by anyone in favor of taking small bucks.
Just trying to defend my view of this friendly debate.......
Anyone??
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<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> I answered your question with several ligitimate scenarios. Your beginning to chase your tail.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> You started off by saying we should feel guilty for shooting small bucks when our neighbor doesn't see any bucks. When I responded that in alot of farm areas , mine in particular , the neighbors shoot anything , you turned it around (threw mud in my face) and said that "if the neihbors dont give a darn , neither should you?"<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>
Getting in a friendly debate is healthy , but it burns my backside when someone asks questions in behalf of their opinion , and then doesn't bother to acknowlege honest legitimate answers<img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle> BTW , the states who now have antler point restrictions , do you think they have the restrictions in place to strictly produce trophy bucks<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>
11-29-2002, 08:51 AM
#63
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Logan Ia USA
Posts: 678
RE: Trophy Hunting?
Quote "Ahhhhhhhh..... There it is. If you are that interested for the future of younger generations, why not help presereve it? If people keep going on the path of "shoot everything that moves", there will be no future for the younger generations. Because, that is the way it is going. "
Do you seriously think that shooting lets say 4 deer a year of which 2 can be bucks (Iowa law) will hurt the population of deer?
I started deer hunting at age 12 with a gun, 18 with a bow, and shot anything by for many of those years (still will if I take a fancy to it) and our deer population is much much greater now than when I started. We used to have a draw only system that was buck only, now everyone gets an anysex tag and they are handing out extra doe tags. Doesn't seem to support your debate that it is hurting the younger generation. There are many more big bucks now than ever.
In fact it can be argued that the next generation will be hurt more by the QDM people who do not let others hunt on large pieces of ground because they are worried that someone will shot something too small for thier standards.
What happens to that uncle or father or mother or whoever that wants to take thier child hunting but does not have the ground to hunt on. Public ground? I don't know about you but in Iowa the public ground isn't even safe to be on in gun season. I just got back from Wyoming antelope and mule deer hunting and can say that thier public ground isn't too safe either.
Wouldn't it be great if all the states were under QDM restrictions so that everyone would have to follow someone elses standards. Do you think antler restrictions are great? I would love to see the look on someones face (childs?) when you explain that they can not shoot that deer because someone else thinks it is too small. Maybe a trophy to them, maybe the only deer that they ever shoot? Maybe they get cancer or something happens that does not allow them to hunt anymore and those dang antler restrictions sure did a good job or preserving the quality of deer for someone else while robbing a memory from the next person.
Why is the size of the antlers so important to you? Is this how you grade your hunts?
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You are missing the point, badly. I would be glad to harvest any animal that comes in front of me and know that it doesn't effect the state of hunting for tomorrow. "
I am not missing the point, I in fact understand it very well.
What state of hunting is effected? The trophy hunters standards?
I hope my son and daughter do not get mixed up in all the ads for deer hunting telling them to shoot the big one and you will be happier only to forget about the sheer joy of being out in the woods for just the sake of hunting. The look on my face or thiers when they take an animal in its own habitat. Sit for hours waiting for the right shot so the animal doesn't suffer. The hours of practice and more hours of talking about it that it takes to harvest an animal. The time in the field with friends or the solitude away from work and worldly pressure that is relieved. I hope they enjoy the rights that others have sacraficed to give them. I hope they continue to fight for those rights.
Including the right to choose which animal makes them happier.
I don't think you understand, I think you missed my point, if you must grade your hunts or future hunts by the size of the deer you are missing the point.
For every post on here about someone shooting a big buck you see many posts about the hunters who are thrilled to shoot whatever deer they have shot.
You will not find any answers to the questions you keep asking because you are choose to dismiss any answers that you do not want to hear.
Bowdacious quote " "There is more to a Trophy, than the Size of the Rack"
That is the answer to all your questions.
" Anyone can be a father, but it takes a real man to be a Dad"
Do you seriously think that shooting lets say 4 deer a year of which 2 can be bucks (Iowa law) will hurt the population of deer?
I started deer hunting at age 12 with a gun, 18 with a bow, and shot anything by for many of those years (still will if I take a fancy to it) and our deer population is much much greater now than when I started. We used to have a draw only system that was buck only, now everyone gets an anysex tag and they are handing out extra doe tags. Doesn't seem to support your debate that it is hurting the younger generation. There are many more big bucks now than ever.
In fact it can be argued that the next generation will be hurt more by the QDM people who do not let others hunt on large pieces of ground because they are worried that someone will shot something too small for thier standards.
What happens to that uncle or father or mother or whoever that wants to take thier child hunting but does not have the ground to hunt on. Public ground? I don't know about you but in Iowa the public ground isn't even safe to be on in gun season. I just got back from Wyoming antelope and mule deer hunting and can say that thier public ground isn't too safe either.
Wouldn't it be great if all the states were under QDM restrictions so that everyone would have to follow someone elses standards. Do you think antler restrictions are great? I would love to see the look on someones face (childs?) when you explain that they can not shoot that deer because someone else thinks it is too small. Maybe a trophy to them, maybe the only deer that they ever shoot? Maybe they get cancer or something happens that does not allow them to hunt anymore and those dang antler restrictions sure did a good job or preserving the quality of deer for someone else while robbing a memory from the next person.
Why is the size of the antlers so important to you? Is this how you grade your hunts?
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Horn size really don't matter if you don't enjoy yourself while doing it.
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You are missing the point, badly. I would be glad to harvest any animal that comes in front of me and know that it doesn't effect the state of hunting for tomorrow. "
I am not missing the point, I in fact understand it very well.
What state of hunting is effected? The trophy hunters standards?
I hope my son and daughter do not get mixed up in all the ads for deer hunting telling them to shoot the big one and you will be happier only to forget about the sheer joy of being out in the woods for just the sake of hunting. The look on my face or thiers when they take an animal in its own habitat. Sit for hours waiting for the right shot so the animal doesn't suffer. The hours of practice and more hours of talking about it that it takes to harvest an animal. The time in the field with friends or the solitude away from work and worldly pressure that is relieved. I hope they enjoy the rights that others have sacraficed to give them. I hope they continue to fight for those rights.
Including the right to choose which animal makes them happier.
I don't think you understand, I think you missed my point, if you must grade your hunts or future hunts by the size of the deer you are missing the point.
For every post on here about someone shooting a big buck you see many posts about the hunters who are thrilled to shoot whatever deer they have shot.
You will not find any answers to the questions you keep asking because you are choose to dismiss any answers that you do not want to hear.
Bowdacious quote " "There is more to a Trophy, than the Size of the Rack"
That is the answer to all your questions.
" Anyone can be a father, but it takes a real man to be a Dad"
11-29-2002, 08:57 AM
#64
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: saint joseph missouri USA
Posts: 548
RE: Trophy Hunting?
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I have one for the QDM folks, you know there is a 7-8 year old monster 6 point on the property you hunt, 23-24 inches on the inside of the beam with 12-14" tines, he has never had brow tines or he would be a real brute of an 8 point, you also know there is a nice 3.5 year old buck that was a nice basket 8 last season. Now you see a scrub buck that is an easy shot, do you take him to stop him from mating, knowing that the other 2 nice bucks are still on the hoof? Mind you there is a huge amount of does in your area. You are to your knowledge the only person to hunt this area and you can kill 3 bucks a year and 100 doe. Do you cull him or let him walk, knowing he will breed and may get to be a bit larger, but still be a scrub buck passing on his genes?
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If I had three buck tags? Even if I had only one, I would most definately try for the 6 pointer right off!!! That buck you describe is a true trophy due to its rarity. Kind of like the 3 anltered buck I harvested a couple of weeks ago. It is a rare find in the nature of a piebald, albino, ect.
Now, Do I shoot the scrub buck while having 3 tags? Most definately. If I have done my homework, and have seen the same buck, year after year, and no significant growth has occured, I will do my part in removing him from the herd. If I am not 100% sure of it, I let it walk and take my chances that his offspring will load up on minerals and develope their own superior gene pool year after year.
I have one for the QDM folks, you know there is a 7-8 year old monster 6 point on the property you hunt, 23-24 inches on the inside of the beam with 12-14" tines, he has never had brow tines or he would be a real brute of an 8 point, you also know there is a nice 3.5 year old buck that was a nice basket 8 last season. Now you see a scrub buck that is an easy shot, do you take him to stop him from mating, knowing that the other 2 nice bucks are still on the hoof? Mind you there is a huge amount of does in your area. You are to your knowledge the only person to hunt this area and you can kill 3 bucks a year and 100 doe. Do you cull him or let him walk, knowing he will breed and may get to be a bit larger, but still be a scrub buck passing on his genes?
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If I had three buck tags? Even if I had only one, I would most definately try for the 6 pointer right off!!! That buck you describe is a true trophy due to its rarity. Kind of like the 3 anltered buck I harvested a couple of weeks ago. It is a rare find in the nature of a piebald, albino, ect.
Now, Do I shoot the scrub buck while having 3 tags? Most definately. If I have done my homework, and have seen the same buck, year after year, and no significant growth has occured, I will do my part in removing him from the herd. If I am not 100% sure of it, I let it walk and take my chances that his offspring will load up on minerals and develope their own superior gene pool year after year.
11-29-2002, 09:14 AM
#65
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 3,903
RE: Trophy Hunting?
SW Iowa Hunter , good post! You hit the nail on the head!
Sorry guys (trophy hunters) , but it is indeed the trophy hunters who will ruin hunting for our future generations. I've heard wolfen68 talk about this problem himself. Whats it gonna take for our grandkids to hunt? Every time you turn around , a group of trophy hunters are leasing up every bit of available land. Whats the term wolfen used? Land mongers? Well , every area leased around here by the "land mongers" becomes TBM.
Sorry guys (trophy hunters) , but it is indeed the trophy hunters who will ruin hunting for our future generations. I've heard wolfen68 talk about this problem himself. Whats it gonna take for our grandkids to hunt? Every time you turn around , a group of trophy hunters are leasing up every bit of available land. Whats the term wolfen used? Land mongers? Well , every area leased around here by the "land mongers" becomes TBM.
11-29-2002, 09:19 AM
#66
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 3,903
RE: Trophy Hunting?
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Personally I'm a trophy hunter, I take mature doe and I take mature bucks. I have no problem with anyone harvesting younger deer for food for the freezer or just for the excitement. Deer seem to currently be populating faster than we are harvesting them so feel free to take a couple. I work extermely hard to take mature deer and if everyone lets the little ones go I think it would become a little to easy and almost the norm for everyone to take a mature deer. For me that would kind of take away from the feeling you get when you do connect on a big deer. I will tell you this for sure, I've taken small bucks and I've taken larger bucks and taking a large buck satisfys my hunting needs far more than a small one. However that is me and I can only offer you my feelings. It is up to each hunter to make their own choice what makes them a happy hunter.
Check out my page.
http://www.geocities.com/scottbowden23/mydeer.html
Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence and determination.
Calvin Coolidge
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bowbow! Thank you! Your exactly the type of trophy hunter that I admire!<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle> You see the big picture in clarity. A few others around here need corrective lenses<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Personally I'm a trophy hunter, I take mature doe and I take mature bucks. I have no problem with anyone harvesting younger deer for food for the freezer or just for the excitement. Deer seem to currently be populating faster than we are harvesting them so feel free to take a couple. I work extermely hard to take mature deer and if everyone lets the little ones go I think it would become a little to easy and almost the norm for everyone to take a mature deer. For me that would kind of take away from the feeling you get when you do connect on a big deer. I will tell you this for sure, I've taken small bucks and I've taken larger bucks and taking a large buck satisfys my hunting needs far more than a small one. However that is me and I can only offer you my feelings. It is up to each hunter to make their own choice what makes them a happy hunter.
Check out my page.
http://www.geocities.com/scottbowden23/mydeer.html
Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence and determination.
Calvin Coolidge
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bowbow! Thank you! Your exactly the type of trophy hunter that I admire!<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle> You see the big picture in clarity. A few others around here need corrective lenses<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>
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11-29-2002, 09:39 AM
#67
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: saint joseph missouri USA
Posts: 548
RE: Trophy Hunting?
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<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> I answered your question with several ligitimate scenarios. Your beginning to chase your tail.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> You started off by saying we should feel guilty for shooting small bucks when our neighbor doesn't see any bucks.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
That is not what I said at all..LOL...I am not chasing my tail, I am just continually repeating things that I have said due to my search for arguments to the contrary. I have yet to see any good reasons for an experienced hunter to harvest a young, small spike, forkhorn, button, or basket rack buck. My suggestion was maybe to try to help out the neighbor if you do not care for rack size. Keep in mind, he may have changed his thinking also, and now he may care about rack size. Maybe one or more of your offspring would like to harvest a quality buck when they get enough experience under their belt? Better yet, maybe they would want to do it as a novice hunter?? Wouldn't that be great? All the more reason to harvest does instead of smaller bucks.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> When I responded that in alot of farm areas , mine in particular , the neighbors shoot anything , you turned it around (threw mud in my face) and said that "if the neihbors dont give a darn , neither should you?"<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>
Getting in a friendly debate is healthy , but it burns my backside when someone asks questions in behalf of their opinion , and then doesn't bother to acknowlege honest legitimate answers<img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle><hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
I did not "throw mud in your face", sorry you feel that way, but if that is how you feel, so be it. Don't get too worked up over this disagreement. I am not. I answered your legitimate questiono f an earlier post, not your answer, with a legitimate question of my own, and I am waiting for a reply.
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No, that is not the total reason and you know this. But let it be said that the antler restrictions are in place to help balance out the buck to doe ratio by putting an imposed limit on the number of smaller bucks harvested. You cannot deny that. Bigger bucks are icing on the cake so to say, along with a healthier herd. In which, I would be willing to bet, everyone wants.
Let's get one thing straight.
Do I think it should be law for all experienced hunters to pass on all smaller bucks?
Absolutley not!!!
This is the very thing I am trying to avoid. Point restrictions in my state are the very thing I am trying to avoid.
I do not want my state deer herd getting anywhere near the status to where the state has to come up with more laws to regulate, hinder or make a hunt harder than it has to be. The states with imposed point restriction laws had to do it for a reason!!! And that reason is a very unstable balance in the buck to doe ratio.
<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> I answered your question with several ligitimate scenarios. Your beginning to chase your tail.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> You started off by saying we should feel guilty for shooting small bucks when our neighbor doesn't see any bucks.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
That is not what I said at all..LOL...I am not chasing my tail, I am just continually repeating things that I have said due to my search for arguments to the contrary. I have yet to see any good reasons for an experienced hunter to harvest a young, small spike, forkhorn, button, or basket rack buck. My suggestion was maybe to try to help out the neighbor if you do not care for rack size. Keep in mind, he may have changed his thinking also, and now he may care about rack size. Maybe one or more of your offspring would like to harvest a quality buck when they get enough experience under their belt? Better yet, maybe they would want to do it as a novice hunter?? Wouldn't that be great? All the more reason to harvest does instead of smaller bucks.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> When I responded that in alot of farm areas , mine in particular , the neighbors shoot anything , you turned it around (threw mud in my face) and said that "if the neihbors dont give a darn , neither should you?"<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>
Getting in a friendly debate is healthy , but it burns my backside when someone asks questions in behalf of their opinion , and then doesn't bother to acknowlege honest legitimate answers<img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle><hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
I did not "throw mud in your face", sorry you feel that way, but if that is how you feel, so be it. Don't get too worked up over this disagreement. I am not. I answered your legitimate questiono f an earlier post, not your answer, with a legitimate question of my own, and I am waiting for a reply.
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No, that is not the total reason and you know this. But let it be said that the antler restrictions are in place to help balance out the buck to doe ratio by putting an imposed limit on the number of smaller bucks harvested. You cannot deny that. Bigger bucks are icing on the cake so to say, along with a healthier herd. In which, I would be willing to bet, everyone wants.
Let's get one thing straight.
Do I think it should be law for all experienced hunters to pass on all smaller bucks?
Absolutley not!!!
This is the very thing I am trying to avoid. Point restrictions in my state are the very thing I am trying to avoid.
I do not want my state deer herd getting anywhere near the status to where the state has to come up with more laws to regulate, hinder or make a hunt harder than it has to be. The states with imposed point restriction laws had to do it for a reason!!! And that reason is a very unstable balance in the buck to doe ratio.
11-29-2002, 10:06 AM
#68
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Logan Ia USA
Posts: 678
RE: Trophy Hunting?
Quote "I have yet to see any good reasons for an experienced hunter to harvest a young, small spike, forkhorn, button, or basket rack buck. "
You have recieved several answers to your question but have choose to ignore them.
Let me ask you a few:
Why is antler size so important to your hunting?
Can you see that it is not that important to alot of people?
I agree with most of your points (prob. all of them) but just don't think that others have too. What worries me about these threads is that alot of young people are on this site and get ripped for shooting something that is not big enough.
All this QDM is great for the big bucks but that is all it does is help produce big bucks. Healthy deer herds? Nature will take care of that? People argue about habitat man is destroying and justify more intrusion by man with QDM with this argument.
QDM takes a large amount of land to be effective. You can not effectively manage a deer herd without control over the land they are on. This ultimately ends up with a group of people controling this land and telling others what they can or can't shoot.
I think it is great that you and others have choosen to only shoot mature bucks, I won't argue that this leads to better genetics and healthier deer ultimately.
I think that sometimes in our search for the next bigger and better product we often lose sight of what our goal was at the start.
Enjoy the right you have to hunt and let everyone else enjoy thiers.
By the way this has been the best debate I have been in for awhile and while I don't think we will ever totally agree on this subject it is fun.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>I have noticed that you are not responding to any of these arguments I have put in, whats up?<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
" Anyone can be a father, but it takes a real man to be a Dad"
You have recieved several answers to your question but have choose to ignore them.
Let me ask you a few:
Why is antler size so important to your hunting?
Can you see that it is not that important to alot of people?
I agree with most of your points (prob. all of them) but just don't think that others have too. What worries me about these threads is that alot of young people are on this site and get ripped for shooting something that is not big enough.
All this QDM is great for the big bucks but that is all it does is help produce big bucks. Healthy deer herds? Nature will take care of that? People argue about habitat man is destroying and justify more intrusion by man with QDM with this argument.
QDM takes a large amount of land to be effective. You can not effectively manage a deer herd without control over the land they are on. This ultimately ends up with a group of people controling this land and telling others what they can or can't shoot.
I think it is great that you and others have choosen to only shoot mature bucks, I won't argue that this leads to better genetics and healthier deer ultimately.
I think that sometimes in our search for the next bigger and better product we often lose sight of what our goal was at the start.
Enjoy the right you have to hunt and let everyone else enjoy thiers.
By the way this has been the best debate I have been in for awhile and while I don't think we will ever totally agree on this subject it is fun.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>I have noticed that you are not responding to any of these arguments I have put in, whats up?<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
" Anyone can be a father, but it takes a real man to be a Dad"
11-29-2002, 10:18 AM
#69
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 19,137
RE: Trophy Hunting?
I'm an experienced hunter. Why did I shoot a small buck this year? Because I wanted to.Why didn't I shoot a doe? One didn't offer me a good shot oppurtunity before a four point did.
This year I hadn't had the time to hunt I usually do, so I dropped a big bodied four pointer with a double lunger and was very happy about it.Then I shot a doea week later. This afternoon I'm going to make some Venison Parm. with some of the meat and enjoy it with family and a couple friends.
I went the trophy hunting route for awhile you know what happened four years in a row.The Buck I was hunting ended up in the grill of someones car.No joke.
This year I hadn't had the time to hunt I usually do, so I dropped a big bodied four pointer with a double lunger and was very happy about it.Then I shot a doea week later. This afternoon I'm going to make some Venison Parm. with some of the meat and enjoy it with family and a couple friends.
I went the trophy hunting route for awhile you know what happened four years in a row.The Buck I was hunting ended up in the grill of someones car.No joke.