Hunting Contributes to rise in car-deer collisions
11-07-2002, 01:44 PM
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Hunting Contributes to rise in car-deer collisions
Hunting Contributes to rise in car-deer collisions
Article in The Times Newspaper written by Priscella Feral.
November 4, 2002.
With the start of hunting season, the public is starting to hear from hunters and wildlife agencies across the country te usal tired myths used to justify the animal massacure of tens of thousands of deer. One issue that will be undoubtedly be used to try to convince the public of the "need" for hunting is the incidence of deer/auto collisions.
Every year,hunters and the wildlife agencies whose budgets are tied to revenues received from hunting exploit the public's conern for safety by peddling deer population "control" as a solution to the deer/car collision problem.
Friends of Animals, has just released th results of a survey that provides strong evidence to the contrary-that hunters actually contribute to the increase of deer/car collisions by inciting deer to incautious, evasive flight, resulting in collisions. Statistics fromm 33 states indicate a three-fold increase in deer/car collisions during October, November, and December-hunting season.
More information on this study and hunting in general can be found at www.friendsofanimals.org.
Article in The Times Newspaper written by Priscella Feral.
November 4, 2002.
With the start of hunting season, the public is starting to hear from hunters and wildlife agencies across the country te usal tired myths used to justify the animal massacure of tens of thousands of deer. One issue that will be undoubtedly be used to try to convince the public of the "need" for hunting is the incidence of deer/auto collisions.
Every year,hunters and the wildlife agencies whose budgets are tied to revenues received from hunting exploit the public's conern for safety by peddling deer population "control" as a solution to the deer/car collision problem.
Friends of Animals, has just released th results of a survey that provides strong evidence to the contrary-that hunters actually contribute to the increase of deer/car collisions by inciting deer to incautious, evasive flight, resulting in collisions. Statistics fromm 33 states indicate a three-fold increase in deer/car collisions during October, November, and December-hunting season.
More information on this study and hunting in general can be found at www.friendsofanimals.org.
11-07-2002, 02:39 PM
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RE: Hunting Contributes to rise in car-deer collisions
I take it that nobody considered maybe rutting behavior has anything to do with this? And I'd like to see the stat. on what time of day most of these collisions occur??
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11-07-2002, 02:43 PM
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RE: Hunting Contributes to rise in car-deer collisions
Was tellen the wife the same thing the other day.Wont be to much longer b4 the weirdo's start sayen that hunten is causen the deer to run into the streets -n- cause accidents yada yada yada......nevermind the rut is on and they only got breeden on the brain.....
If god didn't want us to eat animals....Why did he make them outa meat?
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If god didn't want us to eat animals....Why did he make them outa meat?
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11-07-2002, 02:57 PM
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RE: Hunting Contributes to rise in car-deer collisions
Just sent them an e-mail telling them the truth about the time of year that they mentioned and about bucks pushing does. I dought that it will change much but just couldn't help myself<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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11-07-2002, 04:41 PM
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RE: Hunting Contributes to rise in car-deer collisions
I'm going to be unpopular here but it makes sense to me that during the gun season there probably are more car-deer collisions. I highly doubt that bow season would affect deer movements that much but during the two weeks of shotgun season in Iowa when hoards of hunters descend on the woods it's quite reasonable that deer get driven across roadways and collide with vehicles more often than usual.
Of course if there was no hunting season there would be so many deer that it would be like that every week of the year. The problem with the anti's is that they will exploit a small statistic to their advantage and forget about the greater benefits.
Oh my gosh, more firemen die fighting fires than doing any other duties on their job! They shouldn't be allowed to fight fires anymore, it's too dangerous! ..... Similar reasoning.
Of course if there was no hunting season there would be so many deer that it would be like that every week of the year. The problem with the anti's is that they will exploit a small statistic to their advantage and forget about the greater benefits.
Oh my gosh, more firemen die fighting fires than doing any other duties on their job! They shouldn't be allowed to fight fires anymore, it's too dangerous! ..... Similar reasoning.
11-07-2002, 06:04 PM
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RE: Hunting Contributes to rise in car-deer collisions
WHAT ABOUT INDUSTRIAL GROWTH AND FARMERS SELLING THEIR LAND TO MEGA FARMS AND SPLITTING THEIR LAND INTO LOTS AND SELLING!!!THATS WHATS HAPPENING WHERE I LIVE!TAKEING AWAY WILD GAME HABITAT!!!THATS THE REAL PROBLEM!!!!
11-07-2002, 06:14 PM
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RE: Hunting Contributes to rise in car-deer collisions
I see a direct relationship between the miles of paved roads and the # of cars, to the number of deer-vehicle accidents. Its not the deer's fauly, its not the hunter's fault. Its the vehicles fault. We need to outlaw vehicles. Then only outlaws will have vehicles, and the cops will never catch us!! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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11-07-2002, 07:11 PM
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RE: Hunting Contributes to rise in car-deer collisions
Whoever you are pricilla Feral,look at the date that this article was wrote,NOV.4.This is the time of year that the bucks are looking for "love".They don't care about cars,hunters,peoples yards,etc.There looking for ONE thing,and do whatever it takes to get it.You should do more research,eg. with the highway patrol records,division of natural resources,look at the dates of the most accidents in a two week period, and stop and think what your saying.
11-07-2002, 07:54 PM
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RE: Hunting Contributes to rise in car-deer collisions
Well, as I posted, I e-mailed them. I got an e-mail back. Here is what I e-mailed them....
I read this article and I couldn't help but to point out some things out. For one, when you say that October, November, and December are the peak times that deer to car collisions occur you are 100% correct, but when you say that the cause of that is hunters, I have to disagree. During that time, Oct., Nov., and Dec., bucks are starting to take notice in does in preparation for the rut. During which time they fight with other bucks and run smaller, younger bucks off and out of the area that the buck will tend to does. He could indeed push that buck across roads and in front of cars.
Bucks will chase does during the rut to get them to an area where they feel is right and safe to breed her. When they chase does they can run them for hours at a time. Especially if that doe is not quite ready to breed yet. He will push her to try to get her to come into estrus. Bucks have only one thing on their minds and it ain't "Is there a car coming down this road that I'm about to push this doe across?" it probably "SEX, SEX, SEX,SEX." Bucks will push does in front of cars without even one thought.
I thought that since you were posting lies on your web site to confuse the non-hunting people of America, you might want to consider telling them the truth. I just thought if yall have been brainwashed by the anti-hunters into believing the lies posted in the article that you might be interested in the truth.
Sincerely,
John
This is what they e-mailed me back with...
Here's the truth, for you seemed to have missed it:
The Erie Insurance Group independently reported that there was an almost fivefold increase in deer/auto collisions on opening day of hunting. Your explanation would only make sense if the rut only occurred on opening day. The complete FoA study, downloadable off the web site, goes into the effects and non-effects of the rut.
If you have a study that refutes the findings of the Friends of Animals' study, I'd love to see it.
Bob Orabona
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I read this article and I couldn't help but to point out some things out. For one, when you say that October, November, and December are the peak times that deer to car collisions occur you are 100% correct, but when you say that the cause of that is hunters, I have to disagree. During that time, Oct., Nov., and Dec., bucks are starting to take notice in does in preparation for the rut. During which time they fight with other bucks and run smaller, younger bucks off and out of the area that the buck will tend to does. He could indeed push that buck across roads and in front of cars.
Bucks will chase does during the rut to get them to an area where they feel is right and safe to breed her. When they chase does they can run them for hours at a time. Especially if that doe is not quite ready to breed yet. He will push her to try to get her to come into estrus. Bucks have only one thing on their minds and it ain't "Is there a car coming down this road that I'm about to push this doe across?" it probably "SEX, SEX, SEX,SEX." Bucks will push does in front of cars without even one thought.
I thought that since you were posting lies on your web site to confuse the non-hunting people of America, you might want to consider telling them the truth. I just thought if yall have been brainwashed by the anti-hunters into believing the lies posted in the article that you might be interested in the truth.
Sincerely,
John
This is what they e-mailed me back with...
Here's the truth, for you seemed to have missed it:
The Erie Insurance Group independently reported that there was an almost fivefold increase in deer/auto collisions on opening day of hunting. Your explanation would only make sense if the rut only occurred on opening day. The complete FoA study, downloadable off the web site, goes into the effects and non-effects of the rut.
If you have a study that refutes the findings of the Friends of Animals' study, I'd love to see it.
Bob Orabona
Friends of Animals
"A Country Boy Can Survive"
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11-07-2002, 09:22 PM
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RE: Hunting Contributes to rise in car-deer collisions
I hate these anti's they have nothing better to do with their time. I think they all need to get a life. By the way who in the heck is Erie Insurance he must be a anti's supporter insurance agent next door to their office!! Here is my email I sent them:
I was reading your report and from what I gathered from some of your
statistics that roughly 50% of the deer/auto collisions
happen during October, November, December. I am am just curious if you guys have a clue about whitetail behavior during breeding season. Just in case you do not know the term it is called the "RUT". During the "Rut" whitetail deer are the most active than anytime of the year day and night. Thebreeding season begins up North in October and ends in Late December in the South. Wow is'nt that a coincidence, whitetail bucks are chasing the does 24hours a day to breed. One thing that I am curious about is what are your statistics on the time of day of these collisions with automobiles. I would bet that 80% of these accidents occur at night when whitetail are most
active. You see deer are mostly nocturnal animals, they bed(sleep) during the day. That is just whitetail behavior period! Now that exception is only during the "Rut" when the boys are out chasing the girls. Now when a buck is out chasing the does and he smells one on the other side of the road you can bet the old boy is going to cross the road to be with her. It is documented (ask your so called on staff wildlife biologist)that mature bucks will travel miles in a day to find a receptive doe. Now lets get to the hunting part. Hunting hours start at 30 minutes before sunrise(not to many folks awake or out on the road that early in the morning) and hunting ours end at sunset(before dark)hunters can't hunt after dark it is against the LAW! So I say your study is flawed!!! I have horses and I support your effort to rescue them from cruel owners and to stop them
being slaughtered. But when you guys go after hunters I have to draw the line. If it is not you guys it is PETA that is constantly harrassing us. I hunt whitetail to feed my family, and my license fees go to pay the salary of the wildlife officers and agencies that takes care of our whitetail population. You guys need to wake up and direct your efforts elsewhere because no matter what you do you will never put a stop to hunting iun this great country. You prefer to pick up you steak and turkey at the local grocery store. I prefer to get mine in the wild at least my game was taking in fair chase. You have to have someone do your killing for you. I know you
guys say you are all vegetarians,that's a bunch off bullcrap! Why can't you accept that God made us to be predators. It is our nature we were all born this way, accept it!! Humans are not prey animals if we were we would have eyes on the side of our heads and would be out in the fields eating grass like cattle and deer! That being said why don't you guys run out and get you nice Wendy's double cheese burger with fries on the side(biggie size it!)and enjoy being human!!!
I was reading your report and from what I gathered from some of your
statistics that roughly 50% of the deer/auto collisions
happen during October, November, December. I am am just curious if you guys have a clue about whitetail behavior during breeding season. Just in case you do not know the term it is called the "RUT". During the "Rut" whitetail deer are the most active than anytime of the year day and night. Thebreeding season begins up North in October and ends in Late December in the South. Wow is'nt that a coincidence, whitetail bucks are chasing the does 24hours a day to breed. One thing that I am curious about is what are your statistics on the time of day of these collisions with automobiles. I would bet that 80% of these accidents occur at night when whitetail are most
active. You see deer are mostly nocturnal animals, they bed(sleep) during the day. That is just whitetail behavior period! Now that exception is only during the "Rut" when the boys are out chasing the girls. Now when a buck is out chasing the does and he smells one on the other side of the road you can bet the old boy is going to cross the road to be with her. It is documented (ask your so called on staff wildlife biologist)that mature bucks will travel miles in a day to find a receptive doe. Now lets get to the hunting part. Hunting hours start at 30 minutes before sunrise(not to many folks awake or out on the road that early in the morning) and hunting ours end at sunset(before dark)hunters can't hunt after dark it is against the LAW! So I say your study is flawed!!! I have horses and I support your effort to rescue them from cruel owners and to stop them
being slaughtered. But when you guys go after hunters I have to draw the line. If it is not you guys it is PETA that is constantly harrassing us. I hunt whitetail to feed my family, and my license fees go to pay the salary of the wildlife officers and agencies that takes care of our whitetail population. You guys need to wake up and direct your efforts elsewhere because no matter what you do you will never put a stop to hunting iun this great country. You prefer to pick up you steak and turkey at the local grocery store. I prefer to get mine in the wild at least my game was taking in fair chase. You have to have someone do your killing for you. I know you
guys say you are all vegetarians,that's a bunch off bullcrap! Why can't you accept that God made us to be predators. It is our nature we were all born this way, accept it!! Humans are not prey animals if we were we would have eyes on the side of our heads and would be out in the fields eating grass like cattle and deer! That being said why don't you guys run out and get you nice Wendy's double cheese burger with fries on the side(biggie size it!)and enjoy being human!!!