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ASAT or Predator... you call it
08-17-2006, 08:10 PM
#11
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Oct 1998
Location: Hughesville, PA USA
Posts: 18,322
RE: ASAT or Predator... you call it
ORIGINAL: Cougar Mag
dwd2001, whichever of the two camo patterns you choose it will be a good choice.
dwd2001, whichever of the two camo patterns you choose it will be a good choice.
Add Enigma and you really have a tough decision.
I already have my hat.
08-17-2006, 08:15 PM
#12
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Jackson, Missouri
Posts: 7,051
RE: ASAT or Predator... you call it
How's the old saying go? You don't have to smoke crack to know it's bad for you? [8D]
No, you're exactly right, of course; I've never worn ASAT.... because once I found Predator Fall Gray, I had a baseline to compare ASAT to, and I never felt it justified spending my money on it. I've seen hundreds of pics of the stuff, studied it, and just don't feel confident that it breaks up the outline like Fall Gray does in a tree whena hunter isclose to or has been skylighted.
Now, maybe I need to add this bit of clarification, as well. I don't think Fall Gray is the end-all pattern for all types of hunting. ASAT would beat its socks off, say... out in Nebraska hunting from the ground for prairie goats. On just about any ground hunt, I'd give ASAT the nod... Or Deception. It's when it's up in a tree after the leaves have fallen that I think this stuff beats ASAT hands down. But... how did Marc put it in his quote up above? "To each his own..."
The other thread which was started by LT after buying some Fall Gray certainly shows off the pattern's ability to obliterate parts of the human body, but -- as Davidmil aptly pointed out -- there's better patterns for that scenario.
I'd still like to see a pattern which combined a myriad of features which we've been discussing. I think it was Matt in Il who asked me on another thread the question about why Fall Gray doesn't have more background showing through as it originally did. I answered him that I'd be one happy man if the owners would move back in that direction, so I certainly think there's room for improvement. Maybe if someone could take some ASAT-like principles, add a VERY light background (which would blend with the sky), add some jagged blocks over the background (to obliterate the outline), then lay the confusing lines over that...
Now THAT'S a pattern which has got some potential!
No, you're exactly right, of course; I've never worn ASAT.... because once I found Predator Fall Gray, I had a baseline to compare ASAT to, and I never felt it justified spending my money on it. I've seen hundreds of pics of the stuff, studied it, and just don't feel confident that it breaks up the outline like Fall Gray does in a tree whena hunter isclose to or has been skylighted.
Now, maybe I need to add this bit of clarification, as well. I don't think Fall Gray is the end-all pattern for all types of hunting. ASAT would beat its socks off, say... out in Nebraska hunting from the ground for prairie goats. On just about any ground hunt, I'd give ASAT the nod... Or Deception. It's when it's up in a tree after the leaves have fallen that I think this stuff beats ASAT hands down. But... how did Marc put it in his quote up above? "To each his own..."
The other thread which was started by LT after buying some Fall Gray certainly shows off the pattern's ability to obliterate parts of the human body, but -- as Davidmil aptly pointed out -- there's better patterns for that scenario.
I'd still like to see a pattern which combined a myriad of features which we've been discussing. I think it was Matt in Il who asked me on another thread the question about why Fall Gray doesn't have more background showing through as it originally did. I answered him that I'd be one happy man if the owners would move back in that direction, so I certainly think there's room for improvement. Maybe if someone could take some ASAT-like principles, add a VERY light background (which would blend with the sky), add some jagged blocks over the background (to obliterate the outline), then lay the confusing lines over that...
Now THAT'S a pattern which has got some potential! 
08-17-2006, 08:27 PM
#14
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Oct 1998
Location: Hughesville, PA USA
Posts: 18,322
RE: ASAT or Predator... you call it
ORIGINAL: Greg / MO
It's when it's up in a tree after the leaves have fallen that I think this stuff beats ASAT hands down. But... how did Marc put it in his quote up above? "To each his own..."
It's when it's up in a tree after the leaves have fallen that I think this stuff beats ASAT hands down. But... how did Marc put it in his quote up above? "To each his own..."
I'd still like to see a pattern which combined a myriad of features which we've been discussing. I think it was Matt in Il who asked me on another thread the question about why Fall Gray doesn't have more background showing through as it originally did. I answered him that I'd be one happy man if the owners would move back in that direction, so I certainly think there's room for improvement. Maybe if someone could take some ASAT-like principles, add a VERY light background (which would blend with the sky), add some jagged blocks over the background (to obliterate the outline), then lay the confusing lines over that... Now THAT'S a pattern which has got some potential!
Now THAT'S a pattern which has got some potential!
enigma One entry found for enigma.
Main Entry: enig·ma
Pronunciation: i-'nig-m&, e-
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin aenigma, from Greek ainigmat-, ainigma, from ainissesthai to speak in riddles, from ainos fable
2 : something hard to understand or explain
synonym see MYSTERY
08-17-2006, 08:43 PM
#15
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Jackson, Missouri
Posts: 7,051
RE: ASAT or Predator... you call it
ya'll?
And -- to your point, mobow -- besides being highly entertaining,the combined dialecticwas often the impetus or driving force forcreating a solution or settling on an idea that has stayed with us over the centuries. Ergo, in this case, possibly it could be Enigma.
-- Of course, I'm not suggesting Rob and I worthy to be included among those great philosphers of old...
They debated our very existence at times; we'll just stick to camouflage! [8D]
08-19-2006, 11:23 AM
#17
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Lake County, Il
Posts: 2,205
RE: ASAT or Predator... you call it
I just got the Predator Evolution pants and jacket,and I think it will be an awesome pattern for the early season. The hardwoods in my area are oaks and maples,with a lot of cedars. Here's a pic ,I'll try to get one in a treestand as soon as I can. Fall grey looks great for later in the season.
08-19-2006, 11:33 AM
#18
Dominant Buck
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Ramsey , Indiana
Posts: 22,545
RE: ASAT or Predator... you call it
The military has sought an all season all terrain camo pattern since they first began researching camo . After over 100 years of research and study they have never found such a pattern . I have little doubt that ASAT is good at what it does , but my vote goes to Predator .
08-19-2006, 11:40 AM
#19
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Lake County, Il
Posts: 2,205
RE: ASAT or Predator... you call it
Speaking of the military I read somewhere that they originally did give ASAT a really good look but it's effectiveness was gone once the human eye was trained in what to look for. It's effectiveness as a hunting camo is well known,but new things always come into the market. BTW I saw a video clip from the movie Jesus Christ Superstar and it looked like the soldiers leading Jesus away were wearing ASAT BDU's tank tops and shiny chrome helmets!