WHISKER BISQUIT
08-10-2006, 09:01 AM
#51
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RE: WHISKER BISQUIT
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Oh yeah.....I caught the first sailfish I ever hooked up with.
I caught the first Cobia I ever hooked up with.
I caught the first Bull Dolphin I ever hooked up with.
I limited on wood ducks (4) the first time I ever duck hunted (at 20 yrs old).
I've fished in Canada.......hunted in Mexico, Argentina,Arkansas, SC, NC, VA, WV, GA, NE, SD.
I've flyfished in too many places to count.
I've trained retrievers (still have 2).....and been members of just about every hunting or fishing organization known to man......
Oh yeah.....I caught the first sailfish I ever hooked up with.
I caught the first Cobia I ever hooked up with.
I caught the first Bull Dolphin I ever hooked up with.
I limited on wood ducks (4) the first time I ever duck hunted (at 20 yrs old).
I've fished in Canada.......hunted in Mexico, Argentina,Arkansas, SC, NC, VA, WV, GA, NE, SD.
I've flyfished in too many places to count.
I've trained retrievers (still have 2).....and been members of just about every hunting or fishing organization known to man......
Why do you keep typing out your resume??...........Why would anyone care where you have fished in a thread about archery rests??
But I've never had someone be so arrogant as to tell me what happened (or didn't) happen to me in the woods.....from several states away. That's what you're doing.
Jeff
Jeff
Well..........now you have.........and I am not the only person that has voiced that opinion to you
08-10-2006, 09:17 AM
#52
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RE: WHISKER BISQUIT
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Tuning-Tips
My arrows make noise during the draw, how can I quiet them down?: There are many types of arrows on the market. Some are more quiet than others. Here is what we know about making an arrow draw quietly through the rest: [ul][*]Carbon arrows with a smooth finish are the quietest. Beman Hunters are very quiet as are the Easton Carbon arrows. Rough carbon arrows will be noisy at first, but after shooting them many times, they become more quiet. You will find that even the noisiest arrows will become very quiet after several hundred shots.[*]Shafts can be smoothed slightly by rubbing with very fine steel wool.[*]Large diameter aluminum arrows (24XX-25XX) are very noisy. They are very sensitive to dust, and abrasion.[*]Camouflaged aluminum arrows are noisier than solid color arrows.[*]If the biscuit fits tightly around the arrow, the noise will be substantially increased. A loose fit that allows light to be seen over the arrow when it is mounted on the bow will give the quietest and most forgiving setup. You can spread the biscuit open slightly to increase the opening.[*]Applying silicon to the arrow shaft sometimes reduces the noise.[*]Keep the biscuit clean. Wipe the arrows prior to use. Avoid contaminating the biscuit with waxes, dirt, dust, target material, etc. Avoid using dry powder type waterproofing as it is abrasive and will increase arrow drawing noise.[*]Check that the biscuit is square to the arrow. Sometimes a noisy setup can be cured by pushing the top of the biscuit towards the bow string a little with your thumb. Paper tuning the bow will help optimize the rest position and can decrease draw noise.[*]Make sure the arrow is not pressing down on the rest with excessive force. If you are using nock sets above and below the arrow, they may be too close at full draw. This can cause more pressure on the bristles and increase draw noise.[*]If you are hunting on a cool damp morning, it is sometimes helpful to wipe the arrow and cable rod so it is free from condensation when you arrive at your stand.
Tuning-Tips
My arrows make noise during the draw, how can I quiet them down?: There are many types of arrows on the market. Some are more quiet than others. Here is what we know about making an arrow draw quietly through the rest: [ul][*]Carbon arrows with a smooth finish are the quietest. Beman Hunters are very quiet as are the Easton Carbon arrows. Rough carbon arrows will be noisy at first, but after shooting them many times, they become more quiet. You will find that even the noisiest arrows will become very quiet after several hundred shots.[*]Shafts can be smoothed slightly by rubbing with very fine steel wool.[*]Large diameter aluminum arrows (24XX-25XX) are very noisy. They are very sensitive to dust, and abrasion.[*]Camouflaged aluminum arrows are noisier than solid color arrows.[*]If the biscuit fits tightly around the arrow, the noise will be substantially increased. A loose fit that allows light to be seen over the arrow when it is mounted on the bow will give the quietest and most forgiving setup. You can spread the biscuit open slightly to increase the opening.[*]Applying silicon to the arrow shaft sometimes reduces the noise.[*]Keep the biscuit clean. Wipe the arrows prior to use. Avoid contaminating the biscuit with waxes, dirt, dust, target material, etc. Avoid using dry powder type waterproofing as it is abrasive and will increase arrow drawing noise.[*]Check that the biscuit is square to the arrow. Sometimes a noisy setup can be cured by pushing the top of the biscuit towards the bow string a little with your thumb. Paper tuning the bow will help optimize the rest position and can decrease draw noise.[*]Make sure the arrow is not pressing down on the rest with excessive force. If you are using nock sets above and below the arrow, they may be too close at full draw. This can cause more pressure on the bristles and increase draw noise.[*]If you are hunting on a cool damp morning, it is sometimes helpful to wipe the arrow and cable rod so it is free from condensation when you arrive at your stand.
Pretty much EXACTLY what we have all been telling you over and over and over and over and over.
Set it up correctly and noise is a non factor.
No one ever disputed that friction between arrow and rest makes a sound........that is simple physics and a fact of life with EVERY rest.
You know.....the first time I posted my experience with "the noise".....I admitted, subsequently, that I had sprayed my bow with white lightining before going into the woods that morning. Given this is a situation even recognized by CAP to cause arrow noise.....I was still told it couldn't be the biscuit.
Even though I use carbon arrows (that haven't been shot hundreds of times through the WB)....I was told it wasn't the biscuit.
Even though I didn't use steel wool on my shafts.....I was told it wasn't the biscuit.
Even though I didn't utilize silicone on my shafts.....I was told it couldn't be the biscuit.
You know what......no matter what anyone says.....it was the biscuit.
If you didn't know ANY of these tuning options for your rest then obviously you didn't know much about your equipment and/or how it was setup on your bow. What a shame.
If you'll follow these tips from the manufacturer, though......you should have NO problems.....and you, too, can eliminate biscuit noise.
Good luck!
Jeff
Good luck!
Jeff
08-10-2006, 09:22 AM
#53
Dominant Buck
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RE: WHISKER BISQUIT
Fine! Let's do this civilly.
Hunting ....being in the wild....is nonetheless gaining experience, there. I'm not a person that went to the bow shop and walked into the woods for the first time, last Fall. I grew up, there. That's ALL I was trying to say. I've been a hunter all my life (well...most of it).....which extends beyond 30 yrs. I've likely seen MANY bucks in the wild, too......but I'd never been 9 yds. from one....'til last year. I NEVER claimed (nor do I, now) to be anything other than what I am. I'm a "hunter"....who picked up deer hunting. I'm also no dummy when it comes to the woods. I've admitted to you on MANY occasions that I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong. If my stand had creaked or I'd dropped an arrow from the quiver......I'd come on here and laugh about it. Neither of those things happened. What did happen is the noise from the WB made my buck go on full alert. I know that.
Should I have drawn, earlier? Hindsight says yes. Could I draw....NOW (current setup)....in the same situation....and not have the buck hear it? Honestly...who knows??? But I DO KNOW that I cant hear the arrow being drawn through my new rest. And Carolina Archery Products gives a full dissertation as to what WB owners can do to quiet their rest.....so it isn't an anomoly.
Again....we agree, here. I've been spotted a few times, too. I know that it was my fault, too. I also know when it isn't.
As far as golf equipment/excuse factors......AGAIN...you're right! What I don't think you're giving golfers (and a certain hunter) credit for....is being able to recognize a TRUE flaw.....and having the wherewithall to remedy it. I've come in from rounds of golf and KNEW that ONE CLUB wasn't right.....by virtue of hitting a coupleof shots......only to find the loft/lie of that club off a couple of degrees (from my specs). People are pretty perceptive.....in many walks of life.
Atlas.....instead of fixating on the thousand things it might have been.....you fixate on ONE thing that's recognized by the manufacturer as a potential issue....and tell me the ONE thing COULDN'T HAVE BEEN the thing that spooked my buck. Now tell me how funny that sounds.
And you've been told by the people that MANUFACTURE your rest that certain situations lead to their rest being noisy. Yet, you deny this fact, still. Amazing.
How do you debate an issue with someone who posts this????? How old are you?
Jeff
You said you have been hunting for 30 years...........and then say that you saw your first buck EVER last year. I don't understand why you would keep preaching your hunting resume if none of those years were spent hunting deer.............I have been hunting deer for the last 20 years..........I wouldn't use that information to bolster my opinion to you about duck hunting
Should I have drawn, earlier? Hindsight says yes. Could I draw....NOW (current setup)....in the same situation....and not have the buck hear it? Honestly...who knows??? But I DO KNOW that I cant hear the arrow being drawn through my new rest. And Carolina Archery Products gives a full dissertation as to what WB owners can do to quiet their rest.....so it isn't an anomoly.
Just trying to help you out man............before you go ripping your bow apart piece by piece after every time a deer spots you. You having the golf experience that you do should know as well as anyone it is RARELY an equipment issue.
As far as golf equipment/excuse factors......AGAIN...you're right! What I don't think you're giving golfers (and a certain hunter) credit for....is being able to recognize a TRUE flaw.....and having the wherewithall to remedy it. I've come in from rounds of golf and KNEW that ONE CLUB wasn't right.....by virtue of hitting a coupleof shots......only to find the loft/lie of that club off a couple of degrees (from my specs). People are pretty perceptive.....in many walks of life.
Here is your biggest stumbling point............it COULD have been a thousand different things........instead of fixating on ONE silly thing that you think is going to be a magical solution to your problems you should be thinking to yourself how to avoid that trap in the future........
First of all you have been told by MANY other people the same things I am telling you. SteveBNY just told you in a recent thread the same things and he is speaking from experience of seeing hundreds of those rests at his local shop over the years.
It's not offensive...........just because an opinion disagrees with yours doesn't make it offensive. Like I said, if you claimed Bigfoot scared away your deer do I have to agree because I wasn't there?
Jeff
08-10-2006, 09:40 AM
#54
Dominant Buck
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RE: WHISKER BISQUIT
I don't see where it says that arrows HAVE to be shot hundreds of times to be quiet..........besides, this was your first year in the woods with a bow and you hadn't shot a couple hundred arrows?? WOW.
You will find that even the noisiest arrows will become very quiet after several hundred shots.
Where does it say that you HAVE to use steel wool to have a quiet shot?..........I've never used it and have no issues.
[*]Shafts can be smoothed slightly by rubbing with very fine steel wool.
When the kids we used to play army with (as children)would always say "missed me".....we recognized the exercise as being futile.....and moved on.
See ya.
Jeff
08-10-2006, 10:04 AM
#55
Join Date: Feb 2003
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RE: WHISKER BISQUIT
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Hunting ....being in the wild....is nonetheless gaining experience, there. I'm not a person that went to the bow shop and walked into the woods for the first time, last Fall. I grew up, there. That's ALL I was trying to say. I've been a hunter all my life (well...most of it).....which extends beyond 30 yrs. I've likely seen MANY bucks in the wild, too......but I'd never been 9 yds. from one....'til last year. I NEVER claimed (nor do I, now) to be anything other than what I am. I'm a "hunter"....who picked up deer hunting. I'm also no dummy when it comes to the woods.
Hunting ....being in the wild....is nonetheless gaining experience, there. I'm not a person that went to the bow shop and walked into the woods for the first time, last Fall. I grew up, there. That's ALL I was trying to say. I've been a hunter all my life (well...most of it).....which extends beyond 30 yrs. I've likely seen MANY bucks in the wild, too......but I'd never been 9 yds. from one....'til last year. I NEVER claimed (nor do I, now) to be anything other than what I am. I'm a "hunter"....who picked up deer hunting. I'm also no dummy when it comes to the woods.
I've admitted to you on MANY occasions that I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong. If my stand had creaked or I'd dropped an arrow from the quiver......I'd come on here and laugh about it. Neither of those things happened. What did happen is the noise from the WB made my buck go on full alert. I know that.
Interesting.
And Carolina Archery Products gives a full dissertation as to what WB owners can do to quiet their rest.....so it isn't an anomoly.
As far as golf equipment/excuse factors......AGAIN...you're right! What I don't think you're giving golfers (and a certain hunter) credit for....is being able to recognize a TRUE flaw.....and having the wherewithall to remedy it. I've come in from rounds of golf and KNEW that ONE CLUB wasn't right.....by virtue of hitting a coupleof shots......only to find the loft/lie of that club off a couple of degrees (from my specs). People are pretty perceptive.....in many walks of life.
Atlas.....instead of fixating on the thousand things it might have been.....you fixate on ONE thing that's recognized by the manufacturer as a potential issue....and tell me the ONE thing COULDN'T HAVE BEEN the thing that spooked my buck. Now tell me how funny that sounds.
That is funny...........because I never said it COULDN'T be. I said based on my experiences and your story........I don't believe it was. I am not the only person who has said it either
And you've been told by the people that MANUFACTURE your rest that certain situations lead to their rest being noisy. Yet, you deny this fact, still. Amazing.
08-10-2006, 10:15 AM
#56
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RE: WHISKER BISQUIT
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Straight from the CAP site.
'Course....what do they know????
I don't see where it says that arrows HAVE to be shot hundreds of times to be quiet..........besides, this was your first year in the woods with a bow and you hadn't shot a couple hundred arrows?? WOW.
You will find that even the noisiest arrows will become very quiet after several hundred shots.
Where does it say that you HAVE to use steel wool to have a quiet shot?..........I've never used it and have no issues.
[*]Shafts can be smoothed slightly by rubbing with very fine steel wool.
Is that really what you are reading from those statements??.......That you HAVE to do those things to have a quiet WB
They are tuning tips to help people make sure they have their product setup properly. No different then any other company with any other product.......heck, the MZE comes with a DVD......so did my Summit stand, full of tips and pointers. You find this as strange?
When the kids we used to play army with (as children)would always say "missed me".....we recognized the exercise as being futile.....and moved on.
See ya.[*]
Jeff
See ya.[*]
Jeff
08-10-2006, 10:35 AM
#57
Dominant Buck
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RE: WHISKER BISQUIT
The list is endless..........but you are 100% sure it was WB noise after trying to draw a bow for the first time on the first buck you EVER saw while hunting??
I never said that....nor is that the way events unfolded.
Jeff
08-10-2006, 11:57 AM
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RE: WHISKER BISQUIT
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I'm not going to argue with you.....
I'm not going to argue with you.....
Why does discussing different opinions get the label of arguing?
but I'm not going to let you put words in my mouth.
Jeff
Jeff
Forget flatulate................look up hypocrisy